Mulberry

[DL]

JIT - will you continue to use this bull if they don't test him for marble bone? why or why not

 

[Jill]

Ok, this might be a stupid question, but I thought it was required #1 and why wouldn't they test him #2?

 

[Show Heifer]

I believe the rules say, no suspect carriers or unknown pedigrees will be registered or transfered (put on hold) until a MB test is completed. (Or something to that nature.)

And that is a very good question: Why wouldn't they test their bulls? They ask for all AI sires while confirming the test.

 

[Show Dad]

DL - I already had the semen in the tank and was going to use him this spring. But since there seems to be a struggle of wills between Brylor and the ARAA I will not be sticking any cows with him until his status is known. Not that I am taking sides but it is about having a clean herd.

 

[ROAD WARRIOR]

There will be several (hundreds) of Mulberry sired calves tested this spring. If he is "dirty" it will show up pretty fast. I saw an excellent son sell a couple of weeks ago that will be tested ASAP and I have already reserved some semen on him. In the last two years there have been a bunch of cows of every imaginal pedigree bred to him. I think I posted this before but I think as soon as Brian sees semen sale start to decline he will test his bulls. He has been at odds with the ARA before and I doubt that they alotted him the opportunity to test as quick (before it became commercially available) as the other semen companies did. SD want to sell? RW

 

[DL]

RW - I know nothing about the politics btwn Brylors and the RAAA BUT I DO KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE OPPORTUNITY WAS PRESENTED TO TEST HIS ENTIRE BULL BATTERY. He did not take advantage of the opportunity. Nice that there are lots of offspring out there that will be tested, too bad he can't step up to the plate and test his bulls - would save a lot of other people a lot of hassle. Before I bought the Mulberry semen I asked specifically about temperament and marble bone - not an issue I was assured. I've got Mulberry's coming and Mulberry in the tank but I guarantee you with that approach I won't be buying any more semen from them - no matter how good the bull or how great the hype.

GO SPARTANS

 

[ROAD WARRIOR]

DL - I was not aware that he was offered the test at the same time - I assumed (ya I know) the RAAA probably had a hand in what bulls were chosen before the tests were commercially available. I will try to personally contact Brian and see what the deal is, I like to go straight to the source when possible. I truely hope that he is clean for the mere fact that he is producing sons and daughters that are IMVHO phenominal. Yes it would be nice to know now if he is clean or dirty with breeding season approaching for many people, I calve later than alot of people and am in hopes that his status will be known before I get started. With hundreds of Grand Canyon daughters being bred or flushed to him I feel fairly confident that his status will be known before long. RW

 

[Show Dad]

RW - I'm not willing to sell because I am not going to panic, but rather I am in a wait and see mode.

I too have sent an email to Brian in hopes to truly understand his thinking. He is a smart guy and clean breeder so it is my speculation that he will be making his views known soon.

Here is a little more speculation: What if all these offspring test negative? Then what? My point is, I haven't heard of any MB problem with any Brylor bull. And with all this testing going on are we over reacting? Yes he is bucking the trend of what the other AI studs are doing but are they right? I would say yes but they had been promoting "dirty" bulls. So what if yours are clean and have no problems in the pedigrees? Conventional wisdom says you should test anyway?

I believe he will eventually test all his bulls.

 

[DL]

FYI RW - I did go right to the source and DID NOT receive a response - I did  go right to the source more than once and I did not receive a response. This is in direct contrast to when I was interested in buying semen when I did receive a response.

SD - tell me - did you hear rumors about PHA calves in the herds that had tons of PHA bulls?? That doesn't mean squatt

I don't think anybody is in a panic - I think we are just waiting to see how the cards play out

Refusing to test your high profile, highly promoted, highly hyped bulls IMHO says a lot - and not just about the bulls


GO SPARTANS!!

 

[ROAD WARRIOR]

FYI RW - I did go right to the source and DID NOT receive a response - I did  go right to the source more than once and I did not receive a response. This is in direct contrast to when I was interested in buying semen when I did receive a response.

SD - tell me - did you hear rumors about PHA calves in the herds that had tons of PHA bulls?? That doesn't mean squatt

I don't think anybody is in a panic - I think we are just waiting to see how the cards play out

Refusing to test your high profile, highly promoted, highly hyped bulls IMHO says a lot - and not just about the bulls


GO SPARTANS!!

DL - I may be a little better "conected" than you are - I will see what I can find out. RW

 

[DL]

DL - I may be a little better "conected" than you are - I will see what I can find out. RW

YOU GO RW! But if you get a response when some of us unconnected people didn't it also says a lot, and not just about the bulls :

 

[Show Dad]

DL - Didn't hear anything on PHA cause that's not my breed(s). What I was saying, that in the current climate a top bull like Mulberry if there is something happening with his calves, it will come out. Hence the wait and see in lieu of him getting the test results.

I agree with you, it says a lot when he won't test. I was just trying to explore other possibilities. Though like I said it seems to defy logic. He needs to make a statement as to why or why not.

 

[Jill]

SD - tell me - did you hear rumors about PHA calves in the herds that had tons of PHA bulls?? That doesn't mean squatt


GO SPARTANS!!

When it was PHA, Genetic Horizons would only handle bulls that had been tested and a status was known so most of the carriers were tested pretty quickly when they had a test ready, I guess they don't carry much Red Angus semen.

 

[DL]

SD - that is probably what they said about 1680 too

Jill - Don paid to have the semen he sells tested - he did it on his own because it was the right thing to do (ask him to tell you the story of why next time you see him).

all the SEK RA bulls have been tested as far as I know

the difference here is that until this year Mulberry was only available from the owners - was not available from distributors

 

[ROAD WARRIOR]

DL - I may be a little better "conected" than you are - I will see what I can find out. RW

YOU GO RW! But if you get a response when some of us unconnected people didn't it also says a lot, and not just about the bulls :

DL - I'm just saying that I am in a better position to get answers than many other people in or out of the breed, just as I suspect that you are in a better position to get answers from Dr B and others in the genetic defect field than I am. Working relationships do have their advantages and disadvantages as I'm sure you are well aware. RW

 

[Show Dad]

There may have been some but not me.

There has been very few who have been as adamant about the deceptiveness of the AAA and the owners of 1680. But there was evidence of a problem with the 1680 line. And there were those who knowingly hid their heads in the sand (giving all benefit of the doubt). But unless I am missing something, there isn't even a rumor that there is a problem with Mulberry genetics. Brylor just hasn't complied with a request to test semen. As I said, but will rephrase, it would definitely stop the whispers if he went ahead a did submit the semen for testing.

This is not to say that in the fast approaching future I might consider his silence in a different light. For the fact that I am striving for as genetically clean herd as I can get will mean that untested bulls for a known defect will not be used. But for now I will give it time.

 

[loveRedcows]

Don't mean to start a war, but I'll say it anyway.  Ya'll just keep on jumping on the band wagon & breeding to all those hot shot bulls looking the next "great one".  I'll just continue my own little "no name" breeding program...  Often what goes around comes around.

 

[ROAD WARRIOR]

Don't mean to start a war, but I'll say it anyway.  Ya'll just keep on jumping on the band wagon & breeding to all those hot shot bulls looking the next "great one".  I'll just continue my own little "no name" breeding program...  Often what goes around comes around.

I don't usually use alot of high profile bulls either. I saw over 100 mulberry calves in person before I even considered him. I first started watching him as a calf (back when very few had even heard of Mulberry) and then watched for his calves to hit the ground. Bought semen at that point before all of the hype and serious promotion started. Assuming that he is clean I believe he will be one of the most influential sires to come along in a long time. I can tell you from my own experience that he does alot of things right on cows from alot of different pedigrees. RW

 

[DL]

Don't mean to start a war, but I'll say it anyway.  Ya'll just keep on jumping on the band wagon & breeding to all those hot shot bulls looking the next "great one".  I'll just continue my own little "no name" breeding program...  Often what goes around comes around.

If you can't be civil why don't you go play in another sandbox?

RW - what did Bryan say?

 

[ROAD WARRIOR]

I haven't tried to contact him yet - I have better luck early or late when it comes to getting ahold of him. RW