Mulberry

[loveRedcows]

Don't mean to start a war, but I'll say it anyway.  Ya'll just keep on jumping on the band wagon & breeding to all those hot shot bulls looking the next "great one".  I'll just continue my own little "no name" breeding program...  Often what goes around comes around.

If you can't be civil why don't you go play in another sandbox?

RW - what did Bryan say?

Ouch, DL.  Did I hit a nerve?  I happen to like this sandbox...it's extremely informative and most often open minded; maybe not agreeing with others' opinions but respecting their rights to them.  Thank you.

 

[DL]

Don't mean to start a war, but I'll say it anyway.  Ya'll just keep on jumping on the band wagon & breeding to all those hot shot bulls looking the next "great one".  I'll just continue my own little "no name" breeding program...  Often what goes around comes around.

If you can't be civil why don't you go play in another sandbox?

RW - what did Bryan say?

Ouch, DL.  Did I hit a nerve?  I happen to like this sandbox...it's extremely informative and most often open minded; maybe not agreeing with others' opinions but respecting their rights to them.  Thank you.

its the "respecting their rights to them" that you missed with your post - no nerves hit here - just think it is strange that the largest RA  semen distributor in Canada - who is carrying a documented marble bone carrier (Ubar Grand Prix 102), as well as numerous other bulls with documented carriers in their 3 generation pedigree - has not used the technology available to test the semen from the bulls they sell - seems like a dumb marketing move to me

RW - look forward to the information you get 

 

[knabe]

Don't mean to start a war, but I'll say it anyway.  Ya'll just keep on jumping on the band wagon & breeding to all those hot shot bulls looking the next "great one".  I'll just continue my own little "no name" breeding program...  Often what goes around comes around.

what if a great one is clean and great.  then where you will you be.  although i gotta admit, i'm more for average too.

 

[aj]

Hey! All I want to know is what the heck is wrong with Oakland Raider fans!

 

[vcsf]

I just looked at Brylor's website and see that it was updated today and there is a notice about marble bone.  Bryan says here that they were NOT given the opportunity to test their bulls at the same time as the other companies.  Goes on to say they are testing now and that there is a statement on the American association website about this.

I do not really know Bryan but do not believe that he would lie about this.

 

[DL]

Thats great! Apparently he didn't read the 2 emails I sent him where Dr Beever offered to not only test his bulls but also provide the import permit should there be bulls he has that are not available in the US.

 

[vcsf]

DL I have a lot of respect for you from reading your posts on this and other boards and seeing some of the absolute crap that has been aimed at you by some others but I have to ask if you tried communicating with him only by e-mail and if so did you get any response.  The reason I ask this is that I have had e-mail redirected as spam for no apparent reason and if this happened I could see how he could miss your e-mail if his spam folder was full as many people's are.  I am not Bryan's biggest fan but like I said I don't believe he would outright lie about this although I could definitely see him taking a different approach than others.

 

[Show Dad]

I post here in it's entirety Brylor's statement concerning marble bone testing:

Please note...the American Red Angus Association had offered the opportunity to some of the other larger AI companies do the testing on their bull batery, it was NOT offered to Brylor Semen Sales.  This is obvious by the bulls listed on the ARA website.

The ARA is now putting a notice on their website that  Brylor Semen Sales have agreed to begin testing and results will be posted ASAP.  Please contact Bryan Mackenzie at 403-627-5676 or Larry Keenan at 940-387-3502 to verify or more information.

It does shed light on who gets special treatment.

 

[DL]

DL I have a lot of respect for you from reading your posts on this and other boards and seeing some of the absolute crap that has been aimed at you by some others but I have to ask if you tried communicating with him only by e-mail and if so did you get any response.  The reason I ask this is that I have had e-mail redirected as spam for no apparent reason and if this happened I could see how he could miss your e-mail if his spam folder was full as many people's are.  I am not Bryan's biggest fan but like I said I don't believe he would outright lie about this although I could definitely see him taking a different approach than others.

vcsf - sure that could happen - which is why I emailed the second time - I know he got it because he replied to it today - it could be a cool hand luke moment

I don't know who decided what bulls to test, but the offer was extended

 

[Show Dad]

DL - Wonder if RW is at work here?

That guy knows everybody! 8)

 

[DL]

DL - Wonder if RW is at work here?

That guy knows everybody! 8)

SD - A little like chicken man (he's everywhere, he's everywhere buck buck buck buck) ;D

the important thing is that these bulls will be tested so people can make rational decisions - knowledge is always a good thing 

 

[Show Heifer]

I am glad the "miscommunication" has been straightened out.

 

[Show Dad]

DL - Wonder if RW is at work here?

That guy knows everybody! 8)

SD - A little like chicken man (he's everywhere, he's everywhere buck buck buck buck) ;D

:'(

 

[ROAD WARRIOR]

 

[DL]

I post here in it's entirety Brylor's statement concerning marble bone testing:

Please note...the American Red Angus Association had offered the opportunity to some of the other larger AI companies do the testing on their bull batery, it was NOT offered to Brylor Semen Sales.  This is obvious by the bulls listed on the ARA website.

The ARA is now putting a notice on their website that  Brylor Semen Sales have agreed to begin testing and results will be posted ASAP.  Please contact Bryan Mackenzie at 403-627-5676 or Larry Keenan at 940-387-3502 to verify or more information.

It does shed light on who gets special treatment.

SD - I have just been informed that the RAAA had NOTHING to do with which bulls were tested in the validation of the MB test for RA - no special treatment here - just an equal opportunity genetic test

Hopefully now that the test is commercially available everyone will have the same opportunity for testing

 

[CAB]

  We don't breed very much Red Angus, but enough to know that Brylor's have one heck of a set of sires in their stud. They also have done an excellent job in the way that they promote bulls. I can't say that I agree with some of their strategy, but do respect their program and all that it intails. Take a step back & put yourself in their shoes for one minute and think about everything and all the thought that has been put forth to make their program what it is today. Not defending or making excuses for them, but I wouldn't want to rush into any decisions too quickly.  Now there are those that will say that there is no decision here, but there is and it can have millions of dollars of effect and years of breeding decisions. JMO. Brent

 

[SEA]

DL - I'm just saying that I am in a better position to get answers than many other people in or out of the breed, just as I suspect that you are in a better position to get answers from Dr B and others in the genetic defect field than I am. Working relationships do have their advantages and disadvantages as I'm sure you are well aware. RW

O. K. Road Warrior today is Tuesday April 8th.  My question is...

Have you actually spoken with, or received an email back from Brian?  If so, what is the status of Mulberry, and the genetic test for Marble Bone?  Why has he refused to have the test for Mulberry?  Is he planning on having Mulberry tested and when?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

For the betterment of the Red Angus Breed, and our herds. 

 

[DL]

Not RW (probably didn't think I was ) but I have it on good authority that the Brylor bulls will now be tested - since there is semen in the US it should happen in the near future - not soon enough for some breeding seasons but at least they will be tested

CAB - disagree with you - IMHO seed stock producers need to be aware of the potential genetic defects affecting their breed and take a proactive stance in providing samples and testing - taking responsibility and stepping up to the plate is a good thing -

if your breed has a lethal genetic defect and there is a test available then there should be NO question about what to do - you shouldn't need to be pushed or prodded you should test because it is the right thing to do - plain and simple

 

[Show Dad]

SEA - hope you read the earlier post with Brylor's statement.

But this topic has done a disservice to Mulberry. It should have been titled "Will Brylor test for MB" or something like that. But because he doesn't respond to someone else's timetable (wether it was smart too or not), we are now throwing mud at a bull that has no history or reports of MB.  If the test wasn't available till next year would we still use Mulberry? With out hesitation. We need to be patient and hold our comments.

The sky isn't falling.

 

[Show Dad]

You know this discussion on contacting AI bull studs to test: did anyone from the research team contact Semex, Coley's, or Stepping Stone?  If not, what should we draw from that?
If yes, then what was there response?

Just a question.