Mulberry

[Show Heifer]

Wow, can I breathe a sigh of relief now!!!

To Brylors: Thank you for sending in the bulls you own that are in your catalog. This will save lots of worry, unneccesary testing and heart ache down the road! Since you are influential RA breeders, I hope other Canadian breeders follow your lead and do the right thing!!!

 

[DL]

Kevin - the offer to provide an import permit to you or any other Canadian RA breeder, including Brylors for their bulls without semen in the US, still stands - just say the word 

 

[Jill]

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?  From what I understand from this whole thread there was never and still isn't anything whatsoever to indicate that Mulberry was anything but clean, why is a test so vital when no one even ever thought he WAS a carrier.  The sky isn't falling and testing isn't the great salvation, use some common sense, it will go a long way.

 

[loveRedcows]

Doing the right thing in regards to testing for known lethal genetic defects does not make a person a hero. The heros in all these genetic messes are those that reported defective calves, send in the samples, had the necropsies done, flushed the carriers to known carriers, maped the gene, found the defect - sending in sample for a test already developed should be a no brainer.

Exactly.  We linebreed & in 25 years have never had any "known" defective calves.  Yesterday I sent off test samples on the 7 bulls we offer semen on (even those that showed no carrier in their pedigree).  As a small breeder I believe it is the ethical thing to do to ensure my semen buyers are not caught in a bad situation, and if my bulls are declared "clean" it should elimate the "pedigree carrier" in the females backgrounds thereby ensuring the future calves.  I think I said that right--sometimes what I'm thinking & what comes out are not always as clear as I intend it to be!!

 

[Show Heifer]

Jill, The red angus assoc will not transfer or register any calf that does not have a PROVEN clean pedigree by parental testing OR has a test ran on the animal themselves.  So it seems to make sense that by commonly used AI sires being tested that will eliminate the need to test several thousand calves. The red angus assoc is handling it a bit different than the shorties, or maines . So it was important to have Mulberry tested regardless of "innocent until proven guilty".  And why would someone NOT test a bull? Lack of info on the test (Not knowing it was available)? Lack of knowledge about the defect (Didn't know there was a defect)? Suspicion on the animal to be tested (Had several "funny calves" but have head in sand)? There are lots of excuses not to do it, but Brian did the right thing and had everything he owned tested.

 

[Jill]

SH, didn't know they had that policy, that makes sense in that case, much easier to test 1 than thousands, not saying not to test, just didn't think it made him a bad guy because he hadn't had it done yet. 
"I just looked at Brylor's website and see that it was updated today and there is a notice about marble bone.  Bryan says here that they were NOT given the opportunity to test their bulls at the same time as the other companies.  Goes on to say they are testing now and that there is a statement on the American association website about this.  I do not really know Bryan but do not believe that he would lie about this."

I guess I'd have to agree with the person that posted this statement, you've stated many times that you only deal with people you can trust, if you do believe he would lie about it, why would you (generic you) want to use the bull anyway?

 

[TPX]

Wow. Just wow. Some people need to back off. I think that this is just being blown up way to much.  There was only one case of marble bone in Canada and it was in a commericial herd out of bulls sired by a known carrier.  To start attacking people is just not right.  I went to enough bull sales this year and never heard one breeder that had a concern about marble bone.  It seems to be something that only matters to people on these boards.  We were in the shories and got out bc it became such a pain to test for th and pha and to long to get results.  I know that the angus wont go the same way bc we dont breed for the show ring and we also dont attack one another.

 

[DL]

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?  From what I understand from this whole thread there was never and still isn't anything whatsoever to indicate that Mulberry was anything but clean, why is a test so vital when no one even ever thought he WAS a carrier.  The sky isn't falling and testing isn't the great salvation, use some common sense, it will go a long way.

HUH? No one said anyone was guilty - no one attacked anyone - you need to chill a little and realize what the rules for other associations are before you jump to judgement - re read the original post here - they were given the opportunity to test along with the AI studs - I personally asked Beever if I could present that opportunity to test to Brylors because I had used and liked the bulls - they chose not to at that time - their choice - now they have tested some of the bulls - not those in Canada - we also offered to provide the needed import permit to test the Canadian bulls - they did not avail themselves of the opportunity - their choice - but lets not blame everyone else. The RAAA had nothing to do with what bulls were tested.

It is frankly irrelevant how many cases of MB there were in Canada - since these calves are aborted early many are missed. If we want to register calves the sires need to be tested - not a witch hunt - not attacking - just the right thing for a breeder and seller of semen to do - SHOULD BE A NO BRAINER

 

[Jill]

I guess I don't understand if the Association is taking that kind of stand, why do they not take it one step further and require that all AI bulls be tested, that seems like a basic, in my mind anyway.
All I'm saying is we are testing ourselves to death, on a dual registered animal by the time you have to test for 4-5 different things (and they seem to be coming up with more all the time) no one will be making a profit.  If it wasn't for the Jr. shows that require registration papers I would honestly say to heck with all of the Associations and just raise them all as commercial.

 

[knabe]

testing is only a short term cost as free by pedigree is allowed.  since the cost is about 1 straw or a cert, it's not that much.

what percentage of infertility is really defects?

 

[DL]

Doing the right thing in regards to testing for known lethal genetic defects does not make a person a hero. The heros in all these genetic messes are those that reported defective calves, send in the samples, had the necropsies done, flushed the carriers to known carriers, maped the gene, found the defect - sending in sample for a test already developed should be a no brainer.

Exactly.  We linebreed & in 25 years have never had any "known" defective calves.  Yesterday I sent off test samples on the 7 bulls we offer semen on (even those that showed no carrier in their pedigree).  As a small breeder I believe it is the ethical thing to do to ensure my semen buyers are not caught in a bad situation, and if my bulls are declared "clean" it should elimate the "pedigree carrier" in the females backgrounds thereby ensuring the future calves.  I think I said that right--sometimes what I'm thinking & what comes out are not always as clear as I intend it to be!!

YEAH - IT CAME OUT RIGHT - might have to look closer at your bulls  testing is not only the right thing to do but also good for PR, *itching about testing of AI bulls is not only the worng thing to do but bad for PR and sends the wrong message ...

Hey Fullblood guy - come see my Mulberry heifer - you won't be disappointed  ;D couple of other nice heifers too

 

[Show Dad]

Many are breathing sighs of relief since Brylor proved Mulberry was innocent of something he was never accused of. Balance has returned to the force in the RA universe. I know I'll sleep better tonight.







PS: If we were in a true free market, this would drive up the cost of Mulberry semen to a new high. Demand will be up for a clean bull and the cost of doing business (testing) also needs to be factored in.

 

[reds with a purpose]

DL - we will have exportable semen on Daytona in a week and as soon as we get some in place we will be testing Red Blair's Daytona and Red Towaw Integrity.

 

[Show Dad]

Hey Fullblood guy - come see my Mulberry heifer - you won't be disappointed  ;D couple of other nice heifers too

DL - Now come on, you can't say that with out posting a picture.

 

[DL]

Hey Fullblood guy - come see my Mulberry heifer - you won't be disappointed  ;D couple of other nice heifers too

DL - Now come on, you can't say that with out posting a picture.

Hey SD - I was referring to a Maine fullblood guy - I'll try to get a picture
Kevin - keep me posted - I am high on temperament and structure - the Angus I work on seem to dance - I prefer the non dancing ones ;D

 

[DL]

DL - we will have exportable semen on Daytona in a week and as soon as we get some in place we will be testing Red Blair's Daytona and Red Towaw Integrity.

I have an import permit - do you need it?