jason
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bump to the big show, lets get this started again
NAME THE BULL!
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knabe
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i will be impressed if anyone gets this one. he is a fullblood german bull. i left part of the name in for a hint.
i guarantee you, you will be suprised what it is.
cowboy, take special notice.
another hint. he has the same 2nd name as a popular, in my opinion, a lesser bull. i will stand by that after it is revealed.
another hint, since no one will get this. he will show up in angus II pedigrees.
i guarantee you, you will be suprised what it is.
cowboy, take special notice.
another hint. he has the same 2nd name as a popular, in my opinion, a lesser bull. i will stand by that after it is revealed.
another hint, since no one will get this. he will show up in angus II pedigrees.
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xxcc
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Shandon Ali
knabe
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well. that's the bull i was telling you about.
any guesses besides xxcc what breed he is?
any guesses besides xxcc what breed he is?
justintime
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Is it Adolf the Black and white bull? And my guess is that he is a Friesan as well.
knabe
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he's shandon ali, a beef friesian used by tim ohlde. i can't remember if imported him or not, i think so.
he also used herman the german a 3/4, mr. beefy, 1/2blood and a few others. i remember a couple of fullbloods that stood out as calves. it's really too bad color mattered so much.
every once in a while you would get a really wild awesome calf. probably the best one i ever saw we found dead of pneumonia. i remember a red and white one that was just as impressive.
of course like anything, mr. beefy i think, had a really nice bull, 034 that looked awesome but was inconsistent with his calves. don't remember defects, but i think there might have been some but wouldn't have been the reason they quit using them. that probably had a lot to do with 6807 and a shift of customers, and probably just a seen opportunity as the industry was too huge back then, ie sugar ray. likes to likes was probably seen as the way to go.
i have an old catalog of straight beef friesians i will throw up some pics. they look no where near as impressive as ali.
he also used herman the german a 3/4, mr. beefy, 1/2blood and a few others. i remember a couple of fullbloods that stood out as calves. it's really too bad color mattered so much.
every once in a while you would get a really wild awesome calf. probably the best one i ever saw we found dead of pneumonia. i remember a red and white one that was just as impressive.
of course like anything, mr. beefy i think, had a really nice bull, 034 that looked awesome but was inconsistent with his calves. don't remember defects, but i think there might have been some but wouldn't have been the reason they quit using them. that probably had a lot to do with 6807 and a shift of customers, and probably just a seen opportunity as the industry was too huge back then, ie sugar ray. likes to likes was probably seen as the way to go.
i have an old catalog of straight beef friesians i will throw up some pics. they look no where near as impressive as ali.
knabe
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more. i wrote down a bunch of bulls he used back then.
angus
fennir of wye
linebacker of wye
shoshone
schearbrook extra
conway 4276
313 rito 1200
rito 8156 of ideal
chi's
black answer (ohlde bull)
lombard
ino's perfection
yuma
ildeno (duh)
r47
r241
big g.
coon (kinda liked him)
amerifax
e80k
adam
308
profile
hi point (another favorite of mine)
red baron (awesome bull)
gymnast 68t
gymmie
marathon
red major
brahman
V8 ( i liked him)
suva
r 603
r 602
maine's
cunia
power plant
of these, i remember them being big and coarse jointed, tremendous hip structure 2nd to the friesians, blacks, reds, some not solid though not many.
what was consistent was udders, tail heads, slope of rump pretty much between all the breeds. i guess that's what a breeder does. also of note is that maine's had the easiest to get defects with the most disturbing one being immune system.
angus
fennir of wye
linebacker of wye
shoshone
schearbrook extra
conway 4276
313 rito 1200
rito 8156 of ideal
chi's
black answer (ohlde bull)
lombard
ino's perfection
yuma
ildeno (duh)
r47
r241
big g.
coon (kinda liked him)
amerifax
e80k
adam
308
profile
hi point (another favorite of mine)
red baron (awesome bull)
gymnast 68t
gymmie
marathon
red major
brahman
V8 ( i liked him)
suva
r 603
r 602
maine's
cunia
power plant
of these, i remember them being big and coarse jointed, tremendous hip structure 2nd to the friesians, blacks, reds, some not solid though not many.
what was consistent was udders, tail heads, slope of rump pretty much between all the breeds. i guess that's what a breeder does. also of note is that maine's had the easiest to get defects with the most disturbing one being immune system.
Cowboy
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Mark -- I knew immediately I was looking at one of the old imported Friesian bulls, but would have had to do some research on the bulls name.
If any one would like to have a facinating conversation, contact the one and only controler of the breed today -- now called Irish Blacks -- they are all direct decendents from line breeding three Friesian family lines. Look up Irish Blacks on the web, you will find a Mr Maurice Boney from Johnstown Colo as the guru of genetics!
I had the very distinct pleasure of doing the flushes on the very first three cows he ever flushed, and that was in 1982!! We became and still are very good friends -- we go back a LONG ways -- and have many bumpy rides that we survived together. He is alive and well yet -- WELL into his 80's now --sharp as a new steel needle too I might add!!
Good memories Mark -- now I REALLY feel old!
The main bull he used then was Troyscastle Ali II -- and I would almost bet he would be a decendent of this bull some place close up! The power of pedigrees -- it will always be a force to recon with!
Terry
If any one would like to have a facinating conversation, contact the one and only controler of the breed today -- now called Irish Blacks -- they are all direct decendents from line breeding three Friesian family lines. Look up Irish Blacks on the web, you will find a Mr Maurice Boney from Johnstown Colo as the guru of genetics!
I had the very distinct pleasure of doing the flushes on the very first three cows he ever flushed, and that was in 1982!! We became and still are very good friends -- we go back a LONG ways -- and have many bumpy rides that we survived together. He is alive and well yet -- WELL into his 80's now --sharp as a new steel needle too I might add!!
Good memories Mark -- now I REALLY feel old!
The main bull he used then was Troyscastle Ali II -- and I would almost bet he would be a decendent of this bull some place close up! The power of pedigrees -- it will always be a force to recon with!
Terry
Telos
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I remember taking 5 Beef Fresian x Angus heifers to sell in Denver for Bill Corbin. They were really fancy. For whatever reason, Bill did not care for them as well as his Emulous line of Angus.
justintime
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I believe it was either 1977 or 1978, myself and 4 friends piled in a car and headed to Mankato KS to Beef Genetics Research, Inc, owned by Richard( D--K) Judy. The main purpose of the trip was to see the Irish Shorthorn cattle that we had heard that he had imported.We had just imported our first Irish cattle ourselves and we had heard from the Irish breeders that they had sent a shipment to the US. We learned about the Irish Shorthorns from a friend who had gone to Ireland to see the farm where his grandfather was born. It happened to be very close to the Deerpark herd, and he brought back a bunch of pictures of the cattle he had seen on the trip. When he returned home, he called myself and another friend, and asked us if we would like to see his pictures. We met in a hotel room in Regina, SK, where he showed us his slides on the hotel wall. It was that night that we made a decision to import some of these cattle, and within a few hours of that meeting, we had struck a deal with John Maloney in Ireland for a bull and 3 females. The bull was Highfield Irish Mist, and he cost us a grand total of just under $300. This purchase price included the testing and isolation costs in Ireland. We were to pay all costs from the time he left Ireland. He arrived in Canada, was quarantined on an island in the St Lawrence River, in Quebec, then trucked 2200 miles west and quarantined for an addition 6 weeks near Edmonton AB. When we finally had Mist home and added up the total costs, we had spent $2000 . Four year later we imported our second bull from Ireland, which was IDS Duke of Dublin. This time it cost us over $30,000 to purchase the bull and get him to Canada. He arrived in the fall, and we decided to display him at the Denver show. We left Denver with over $40,000 in semen orders from the show alone.
It was on this trip to Mankato KS, that we saw Deerpark Improver, Deerpark Dividend and several of the other original Irish Shorthorn imports. BGR also had imported several Simmental and Fresian cattle from Ireland and G Britain. One of the highlight of the trip that I remember was a pasture of about 50 Fresian and Fresian cross yearling heifers. They were excellent females and we commented many times afterwards, that if they were not black and white colored they could become a very popular breed. The Fresian cattle impressed me greatly.
It was on this trip to Mankato KS, that we saw Deerpark Improver, Deerpark Dividend and several of the other original Irish Shorthorn imports. BGR also had imported several Simmental and Fresian cattle from Ireland and G Britain. One of the highlight of the trip that I remember was a pasture of about 50 Fresian and Fresian cross yearling heifers. They were excellent females and we commented many times afterwards, that if they were not black and white colored they could become a very popular breed. The Fresian cattle impressed me greatly.
farmboy
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Clark Club Calves
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knabe
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can i have one more hint please? he has a calberta or epinal son look about him.
vcsf
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knabe said:
Think POLLED FULLBLOOD
knabe
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the count?
vcsf
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knabe said:
That was my guess we will have to wait and see if we are correct.
FutureBreeder2013
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Lets see if you guys can get this one
kfacres
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um could be meyer 734???
Clark Club Calves
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Wow steer planet is pretty good. It is "The Count" the first Polled Fullblood Maine Anjou registered in North America. We were going through boxes of old photos and found the pictures. We have pictures of him from the day he was born to the day he died. We even have the xrays that were taken to prove that he was not dehorned. He was a little short for his time period the bulls of that period were a lot taller. He worked great on Angus cows gave us great F1 cows. We still have semen off him in our tank.
Here is file from the AMAA
http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=23645
and from Canada
http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2423232E2F
Here is file from the AMAA
http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=23645
and from Canada
http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2423232E2F
