NAME THE BULL!

[justintime]

He looks like a Scotsdale bull to me. Could it be Scotsdale Lucifer?

 

[kiblercattle]

heres two both are shorthorns.

 

[librarian]

JIT, yes Scotsdale, but no not Lucifer.
Bought as Aspiration's replacement in 1952.
The mystery bull again and a photo of Aspiration....Sanders sure called it right back in 1918....

The market demand for "baby beef" has induced latterday breeders to seek a shorter-legged, more compactly fashioned, blockier type, such as feed to heavy weights at an early age; but it is to be hoped that in pursuing this subject scale will not be unduly neglected.

 

[librarian]

Kibler, those are cool bulls, I hope someone knows them.
Here is another mystery because I can't read the writing under the white bull..

 

[justintime]

JIT, yes Scotsdale, but no not Lucifer.
Bought as Aspiration's replacement in 1952.
The mystery bull again and a photo of Aspiration....Sanders sure called it right back in 1918....

The market demand for "baby beef" has induced latterday breeders to seek a shorter-legged, more compactly fashioned, blockier type, such as feed to heavy weights at an early age; but it is to be hoped that in pursuing this subject scale will not be unduly neglected.

If not Scotsdale Lucifer... how about Scotsdale Navarre?

 

[justintime]

heres two both are shorthorns.

The horned bull is LR Randolph 14th, herd sire at Wendell Lovely's in Montana in the 70s

 

[kiblercattle]

Justintime you are right. The roan bull is a lot more famous than Randolph.

 

[Okotoks]

Justintime you are right. The roan bull is a lot more famous than Randolph.

Kibler is the roan bull a Deerpark import? I should know that photo and it's got me guessing :-\

 

[librarian]

http://www.webruler.com/mtreciokas/scotsdale/
I got those pictures from this nice story about Scotsdale Farm

garybob nominated Randolph for Shorthorn to get cloned back in 2007. His remarks:
Shorthorn: LR Randolph 14th. Used by Dover Sindelar, He really stood out. People say he weighed 2600-plus, in his working britches. Was rock-solid, not flabby, yet soft enough. Big  & sound footed, extreme heel depth on the rear feet. Was only a 5 frame, and was so masculine, he had a tough time swishing the flies off his back & tail head with his head ( because he was so masculine-necked with a Bison-like crest).
Randolph's head and horns look, to me, like those on some of the real Scotch Shorthorns before pudification set in.

 

[Okotoks]

Kibler, those are cool bulls, I hope someone knows them.
Here is another mystery because I can't read the writing under the white bull..

Librarian the white bull is Paint Earth Snow Drift 4S.
The red bull is Deer Trail Private Eye and the roan bull is Cactus Flat Winner 4W.
My Dad selected Deer Trail Private Eye out of the pens in Denver. He bred exceptionally well and when we lost him we purchased his half brother Cactus Flat Winner 4W. Both Winner and Private Eye were by Deer Trail Goliath. Ones dam was by Clark out of a western Canadian beef bloodline and the other dam was by Great White Hope out of a western Canadian beef bloodline. Both were amazingly consistent sires and their daughters were in the herd for years. We have some ET yearlings out of a Private Eye daughter.
When I saw Snow Drift at 3 years of age I had to have him to put over my Private Eyes. Snow Drift was 100% beef bloodlines and on the top had two crosses of the Wynyard Grand Ambassador bull mentioned in another thread. His offspring were impressive as yearlings but 4S did not end up having a long term influence on the herd. His name is spelt with two words for Paintearth which is not typical. We used a Paintaerth bull from the same cow family, Lady Lomond, last year. We have 5 incredible heifer calves by Paintearth Boomer 58Y, born light they all eye catching now.

 

[kiblercattle]

Justintime you are right. The roan bull is a lot more famous than Randolph.

Kibler is the roan bull a Deerpark import? I should know that photo and it's got me guessing :-\

He is a deerpark import

 

[GM]

Justintime you are right. The roan bull is a lot more famous than Randolph.

Kibler is the roan bull a Deerpark import? I should know that photo and it's got me guessing :-\

He is a deerpark import

A dehorned Irish import.  Is it Improver III?

 

[kiblercattle]

Gm you are right

 

[librarian]

I would have liked to see Improver 3rd with his horns.
These guys remind me of those old time real Scotch bulls. Just showing, not playing name the bull.

 

[justintime]

I would have liked to see Improver 3rd with his horns.
These guys remind me of those old time real Scotch bulls. Just showing, not playing name the bull.

At the time of these polled bulls, like Kinnaber Leader 6th, they were considered to be much different from the old time Scottish bulls. They were much larger framed and better muscled. Looking at these bulls today, it is hard to think of them as being that much different than the Scottish bulls, but they certainly were.
I remember seeing several of the Scottish bulls that came over here, like Calrossie Highland Piper at Rothney, Calrossie White Emblem at Kelburn, Drynie Argosy at Remitall, Kinellar White Robin at Aberfeldy,  Bapton Constructor, Denend Constellation and Louada Rothes King ( imported in dam) at Louada, and they were much different from bulls like Leader 6th etc from the next few decades. Bapton Constructor was considered to be a massive bull at the time, yet I doubt if he would have weighed a ton when in excellent condition. I remember Denend Constellation very well, and I doubt if he would have weighed 1400 lbs as a mature bull on pasture.
I know many people wish we could bring back the old Scottish lines again, but I am reminded often, of the discussion I had with Donald and Diana McGillvary of Calrossie fame, at their farm in Scotland 4 years ago now. They were well into their 80s and we had a wonderful discussion about the cattle they raised that made a mark in Canada and the US. At one point in our discussion, I asked Donald if he knew of any Shorthorns that were remaining that were 100% of this breeding. His response really surprised me and he said" I sure the H--L hope there are none left. They are the reason the Shorthorn breed was placed on the endangered breed list in Britain. He said that they had completely got wrapped up in the hobby side of the industry and had lost all contact with what the beef industry was demanding and wanting. I have thought of this conversation many times since then, and feel it took a great man to realize the mistakes they had made and readily admit them.

 

[librarian]

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[Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR]

Roan one is an argentinian bull called Leave Trasumante 168. Imported to Brazil at 14 months age. Sired by RPS Tribune 82 on a half Lincoln Red blood.
The second one is JASF Specialist 1G, which semen was sold in Brazil around 15 years ago. Specialist is canadian bull.

 

[RyanChandler]

I'd prolly be too impatient to wait around for them to mature but I bet when they do, Specialist daughters make some pretty nice cows.

 

[Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR]

I'd prolly be too impatient to wait around for them to mature but I bet when they do, Specialist daughters make some pretty nice cows.

Had until some years ago some Trasumante daughters, not so huge as you think. Good cows, deep and long. Have some Trasumante semen yet on stock.

Not yet used Specialist, bought few straws as not liked her type. Soon will use them to see what happens.

 

[librarian]

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