New Beef Registry

[cbcr]

The Composite Beef Cattle Registry is now accepting Memberships and Registrations.


Why register your cattle with the Composite Beef Cattle Registry?

• It’s the most affordable way to increase the value of your animals by having documented proof of parentage and provide your customers with valuable EPD’s and genetic evaluations that today’s beef producers rely on when making breeding decisions.
  
  
• Accurate genetic prediction with EPD’s is why many commercial producers are more willing to utilize hybrid and composite bulls in order to take advantage of maternal heterosis, the benefits which have been documented and known for decades.
  
  
• Better track production of a specific bull or cow and the offspring.
  

click here for a Membership Application  http://compositebeef.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10&Itemid=11

Mission Statement​

To provide genetic evaluation along with other programs and services that enhances the genetic potential of Composite Beef Cattle.  We pledge to strive for the success of our members and the beef industry by creating marketing opportunities that add economic value.


The Composite Beef Cattle Registry is dedicated to providing quality service to our membership and welcomes your comments and suggestions.

Please visit our website today. www.compositebeef.com

 

[knabe]

parentage are DNA verified i assume?

 

[ruhtram]

Hmm. This seems interesting. I wonder how this will turn out?

 

[TYD]

I not trying to be dumb here but can anybody give me a clear definition of what a composite is I have asked several people and have received very vague answers making me wonder if they new what they were talking about you know the old saying    baffled by my bulls*** or bewildered by my Brilliance

 

[TJ]

Is this a composite breed or a composite of composite breeds? 

 

[cbcr]

parentage are DNA verified i assume?

If you look at the rules for registration, we are no different from any other registry.  Bulls, ET Donors and their offspring and Clones all need to be DNA parentage verified.  The Registry can at its discretion verify parentage if the need should arise.

 

[cbcr]

I not trying to be dumb here but can anybody give me a clear definition of what a composite is I have asked several people and have received very vague answers making me wonder if they new what they were talking about you know the old saying     baffled by my bulls*** or bewildered by my Brilliance

If you look at our website and go to the "What are Composites" page, we have tried to define what a Composite is.

 

[TJ]

I not trying to be dumb here but can anybody give me a clear definition of what a composite is I have asked several people and have received very vague answers making me wonder if they new what they were talking about you know the old saying     baffled by my bulls*** or bewildered by my Brilliance

If you look at our website and go to the "What are Composites" page, we have tried to define what a Composite is.

I've clicked on that page 3 or 4 times today & everytime I did, I saw no info.  You also didn't answer my question above. 

 

[cbcr]

We have checked the pages in both Internet Explore and Firefox, and the information is there.  If anyone else is having problems, we would like to know.

From the "What are Composites" page on our website.

What is a composite.  A composite cattle are a range of new breeds or new lines of cattle bred specifically to improve hybrid vigor.

Many of today's breeds that are considered purebreds are actually composites if you go back far enough.  Careful planning and selection of  British and/or Continental  and/or Bos Indicus breeds, and the combining of desirable traits from two or more of these breeds of cattle into one "package", with the purpose of retaining heterosis in future generations without crossbreeding and then maintain them as purebred.

For further explanation the Santa Gertrudis (Shorthorn / Brahman), the Brangus (Angus / Brahman) are both Composites.  Other crosses that are Composites would be Angus / Hereford or a cross of Angus / Shorthorn / Gelbvieh / Simmental or one more would be a Simmental / Limousin / Maine Anjou / Gelbvieh all would be considered to be composites.

Hopefully this answers your question

 

[TJ]

We have checked the pages in both Internet Explore and Firefox, and the information is there.  If anyone else is having problems, we would like to know.

From the "What are Composites" page on our website.

What is a composite.  A composite cattle are a range of new breeds or new lines of cattle bred specifically to improve hybrid vigor.

Many of today's breeds that are considered purebreds are actually composites if you go back far enough.  Careful planning and selection of  British and/or Continental  and/or Bos Indicus breeds, and the combining of desirable traits from two or more of these breeds of cattle into one "package", with the purpose of retaining heterosis in future generations without crossbreeding and then maintain them as purebred.

For further explanation the Santa Gertrudis (Shorthorn / Brahman), the Brangus (Angus / Brahman) are both Composites.  Other crosses that are Composites would be Angus / Hereford or a cross of Angus / Shorthorn / Gelbvieh / Simmental or one more would be a Simmental / Limousin / Maine Anjou / Gelbvieh all would be considered to be composites.

Hopefully this answers your question

Most of the site is working for me, but the "what is a composite page" is not.  The "composite advantage page" is not working either.  On both pages, all I see is the template & those exact words in blue text where the rest of the text should be & that is all.  Basically, besides the template & those words in blue, those 2 are blank pages.  I am not sure what the problem is, but it looks like it's still under construction.  FWIW, I am using IE.

 

[TJ]

This is probably a good money making idea for the creator/s of this registry and it looks well thought out, etc.  But, I wonder how well allowing a wide variety of composite combinations all in the same registry is going to appeal to the masses.  Also, IMHO, EPD's are one of the worst things to happen to the cattle industry and probably the main reason why so many breeds are no longer practical.  However, many bull tests still require EPD's, many commercial buyers are still brain washed to use them, so I can certainly see how this registry could be very appealing to certain individuals.  I raise composite seedstock & this registry doesn't appear to be appealing to me personally, but I can certainly see how this registry could appeal to others.  It will be interesting to see how well this registry does... would not be surprised if it becomes popular & a goldmine for it's creators...  we will see.  

       

 

[Woody]

So basicly its the Chi Association, providing a paper trail on crossbred cattle?

 

[knabe]

so do all the cattle have to come from dna parentage verified cattle?

how do you verify a parent who isnt' verified?  or do you just submit their proile's with the calf's and it's good?

 

[creativecattle]

So a registry for commercial cattle?

 

[cbcr]

So basicly its the Chi Association, providing a paper trail on crossbred cattle?

The answer to this is NO.  With the Chi or any other association you have to start with that breed.  Years ago when the Chi Association was started you could find many full blooded Chi cattle.  Then they started crossing them with the Angus for the Chi-Angus.  Try finding a full blooded Chi bull today.

Where we are different is that our registry doesn't have a  base breed for the Composite.  If you want to breed Angus/Herefords, Gelbvieh/Simmental, Gelbvieh/Simmental/Brangus, or any other breed combination, this is a composite.

Now I know that the next question is going to be is "how can EPD's be calculated without a base breed?"  To answer this, our genetic evaluations are performed on an ABC (Across Breed Comparison).  The advantage to this evaluation is the fact that we take the breed makeup of the animal and using breed adjustments for each breed the animal has and then using scientific calculations for the hybrid vigor we can compare animals equally.  With our ABC/EPD a purebred animal, (such as an Angus or Simmental) can be compared to a composite animal and in turn two composite animals of entirely different breed makeup can be equally compared.

Look at EPD's from the breed association today.  a +1.5 Calving ease EPD on an Angus bull and a Simmental, Gelbvieh, Limousin or Maine Anjou bull are not equal.  Each of these breed association have genetic evaluations ran and when they get the data back in house they manipulate and adjust the data and no two association do this the same.

If breeders of Composite cattle will stop and take a look at the situation, one factor of why Angus bulls are used more than Composites.  Producers feel safety with the Angus EPD's.  The EPD's from other registries confuse them as to how to compare an EPD on an Angus bull to a Simmental or a Balancer (Gelbvieh/Angus).

Again, with our ABC/EPD there is no confusion, if a producer is looking at two bulls and both have a +2 for calving ease, then these two bull are equal.  

 

[cbcr]

So a registry for commercial cattle?

If an animal has a pedigree of know parentage it is no longer a commercial animal.  It is considered registered.  Have any of you looked at some of the sale catalogs and seen calves sire by XYZ-ABC bull out of an Angus or Angus/Charolais cross and is still registered?

And also if you look many of the registries, you can still start with an animal of unknown parentage or breed makeup and upgrade to purebred status (7/8 for females and 15/16 for males).

 

[HAB]

So a registry for commercial cattle?

If an animal has a pedigree of know parentage it is no longer a commercial animal.  It is considered registered.  Have any of you looked at some of the sale catalogs and seen calves sire by XYZ-ABC bull out of an Angus or Angus/Charolais cross and is still registered?

And also if you look many of the registries, you can still start with an animal of unknown parentage or breed makeup and upgrade to purebred status (7/8 for females and 15/16 for males).

You are correct in saying many breed associations are doing the same thing, to an extent.  The other associations offer purebred status to high percentage offspring of a specific breed/type.  The peolpe registering their cattle, with these associations, also have a breeding program (goal/direction) in mind.  They used bloodlines of specific breeds to achieve their desired end product. These associations are for the keeping of records, and breed, (type/characteristics) promotion.  In my opinion this registry is just a data base for crossed up mongerals with no real direction.

HAB

 

[cbcr]

So a registry for commercial cattle?

If an animal has a pedigree of know parentage it is no longer a commercial animal.  It is considered registered.  Have any of you looked at some of the sale catalogs and seen calves sire by XYZ-ABC bull out of an Angus or Angus/Charolais cross and is still registered?

And also if you look many of the registries, you can still start with an animal of unknown parentage or breed makeup and upgrade to purebred status (7/8 for females and 15/16 for males).

You are correct in saying many breed associations are doing the same thing, to an extent.  The other associations offer purebred status to high percentage offspring of a specific breed/type.  The peolpe registering their cattle, with these associations, also have a breeding program (goal/direction) in mind.  They used bloodlines of specific breeds to achieve their desired end product. These associations are for the keeping of records, and breed, (type/characteristics) promotion.  In my opinion this registry is just a data base for crossed up mongerals with no real direction.

HAB

I take it that breeders of composite animals are breeding mongrels and don't have a breeding program?  I strongly disagree.  Breeders breed their cattle for many different reasons.  If what you are saying is true then even commercial producers even without a registry are breeding mongrels with no real direction.  The same thing can happen even if someone is breeding straight Angus.

Composites are bred with specific ideas in mind.  We know that the British breed are better at marbling and the Continental breeds are more muscular and leaner.  So, by crossing British with Continental we hope to produce an animal that yields a carcass the can grade choice or prime.

There are some Composites, because of their breed makeup have no place to register their animals.  Also look at some of the outrageous prices some breed association are charging breeders for registering their animals.  I have heard some breeders (and very good breeders) say they are going to quit registering their cattle because it is too expensive. 

We offer a very affordable solution.

 

[cbcr]

This is probably a good money making idea for the creator/s of this registry and it looks well thought out, etc.  But, I wonder how well allowing a wide variety of composite combinations all in the same registry is going to appeal to the masses.  Also, IMHO, EPD's are one of the worst things to happen to the cattle industry and probably the main reason why so many breeds are no longer practical.  However, many bull tests still require EPD's, many commercial buyers are still brain washed to use them, so I can certainly see how this registry could be very appealing to certain individuals.  I raise composite seedstock & this registry doesn't appear to be appealing to me personally, but I can certainly see how this registry could appeal to others.  It will be interesting to see how well this registry does... would not be surprised if it becomes popular & a goldmine for it's creators...  we will see.  
     

EPD's are a tool, but as with any tool it needs to be used correctly.  Many of us farmers carry a pair of pliers, quite universal in use.  Now if we have a bolt to take out or tighten up we usually grab our pliers firs.  But if the bolt is a little stubborn, the pliers have a tendency to slip and round the head of the bolt.  If the bolt  takes a 1/2 inch or 9/16 wrench it fits correctly and we can complete the job much easier.  EPD's are the same thing, but it is also YOU as breeders that have some responsibility in educating your customers or potential customers about them.  Without some sort of tool or guideline, what do we use to help us in selecting breeding animals that can help us in our breeding program either seedstock or commercial.  If you are looking at two bulls to use on heifers and one bull and phenotyipically both bulls look the same but one is just a little smaller, I'm sure that most would choose the smaller bull thinking just because of his size his calves at birth would be smaller.  Now if you have a tool to help you and say the smaller bull has a CE (Calving Ease) of +1 and the larger bull is +7, now which one are you going to choose?  Keep in mind that the higher this number, the less likely that you will be out at 2 or 3 am pulling calves.

 

[TJ]

You are correct in saying many breed associations are doing the same thing, to an extent.  The other associations offer purebred status to high percentage offspring of a specific breed/type.  The peolpe registering their cattle, with these associations, also have a breeding program (goal/direction) in mind.  They used bloodlines of specific breeds to achieve their desired end product. These associations are for the keeping of records, and breed, (type/characteristics) promotion.  In my opinion this registry is just a data base for crossed up mongerals with no real direction.

That's my impression too.  Some individual breeders will indeed have a direction, but I can see this thing going in way too many different directions to be very effective, IMHO.