Northern Shorthorns Herd Bull

[jaimiediamond]

I will post the pedigrees of the animals that were liked.  Northern Shorthorns most powerful cow family is the Butterfly family.  They originally got the first Butterfly from the Coates herd. This cow family has since produced Northern Legend 3N, as well as the majority of their cow herd.  I was lucky in my opinion to snag a Butterfly as in my opinion they are becoming one of the great cow families.

Northern 10 is actually
        HALLMARK X-M461357- 
    BODMIN H M ALBERTA MARK 71A X-GM462512-   
        BODMIN 26L VANITY 72U X-GF647442- 
  DIAMOND CAPTAIN MARK 27C X-M463603-     
        WINALOT CAPTAIN 64N X-M453630- 
      GAFA CAPTAIN'S ROSEBUD DOLLY X-F650155-   
        GAFA ROSEBUD 8P X-F638807- 
NORTHERN XENA BUTTERFLY 8X       
        M/T FRONTIER 201 X-M463907- 
      RIVER RIDGE ELITE 38E X-M465234-   
        RIVER RIDGE MACS REBECCA 1Y X-F652949- 
  ELITE BUTTERFLY 3G X-[CAN]F670283-     
        PAINTEARTH MR CHIEF 52B X-M463271- 
    GLORY-JAY ELOQUENTBUTTERFLY 1E X-F665237-   
      LAZY H J BANNER BUTTERFLY 22Y X-F654509- 

Northern 9 is

        BYLAND EAGLE F58 X-[US]3807340- 
    RB RED EAGLE Y2K X-[CAN]M469924-   
        RB RUBY 126TH X-[US]3814823- 
  DIAMOND PROPHECY 21P X-[CAN]M470882-     
        GAFA CAPTAIN MACBEST 6G X-M466704- 
      DIAMOND KALIKA BARONESS 28K X-[CAN]F674011-   
        DIAMOND FANCY BARONESS 23F X-F667600- 
NORTHERN XYLIA BUTTERFLY 3X        
        DIAMOND CAPTAIN MARK 27C X-M463603- 
      CIRCLE M MARK'S LEGEND 9L X-[CAN]M468769-   
        NORVYK DONNICA KATE 3D X-F662494- 
  BUTTERFLY'S NECTAR 12N X-[CAN]F679274-     
        PAINTEARTH MR CHIEF 52B X-M463271- 
    GLORY-JAY ELOQUENTBUTTERFLY 1E X-F665237-   
      LAZY H J BANNER BUTTERFLY 22Y X-F654509- 

Northern 7 is
        ALTA CEDAR OAK'S SIGNATURE 19G X-[CAN]M466876- 
    ALTA CEDAR SIGNATURE 119N X-[CAN]M470543-   
        ALTA CEDAR LILIAN 88G X-F669570- 
  ALTA CEDAR SHERMAN 7S -[CAN]M472147-     
        EIONMOR IDEAL 32H X-[CAN]M467119- 
      ALTA CEDAR LILIAN 119L -[CAN]F676410-   
        ALTA CEDAR LILIAN 88G X-F669570- 
NORTHERN BUTTERFLY ULILLY 22U       
        WF PLAYER X-[CAN]M468978- 
      HC NEXUS 8N X-[CAN]M470536-   
        DEN-BAR RHONDA 6H X-[CAN]F672079- 
  NORTHERN REFLECTION BUTTERFLY X-[CAN]F681955-     
        RIVER RIDGE ELITE 38E X-M465234- 
    ELITE BUTTERFLY 3G X-[CAN]F670283-   
      GLORY-JAY ELOQUENTBUTTERFLY 1E X-F665237- 

Northern 5 was a
      CIRCLE M MARK'S LEGEND 9L X-[CAN]M468769- 
    NORTHERN LEGEND 3N X-[CAN]M470509-   
        ELITE BUTTERFLY 3G X-[CAN]F670283- 
  DIAMOND REGAL LEGEND 4R X-[CAN]M471581-     
        DIAMOND CAPTAIN MARK 27C X-M463603- 
      NEW BEGINNINGS GRACIE MAY 6G X-F668695-   
        DIAMOND BIRCH MAY 45B -F659569- 
DIAMOND WINALOT 37W       
        MSF EQUITY 43 X-M466050- 
      WINGFIELD HURRICANE 1H X-[CAN]M466993-   
        DIAMOND DESDEMONA MAID 9D X-F663409- 
  DIAMOND KIMONA MAID 7K X-[CAN]F674014-     
        DEER TRAIL PRIVATE EYE X-M457023- 
    OA DIAMOND MONA MAID 15X -F651617-   
      WINALOT MONA LISA X-F641125- 
out of
        BODMIN H M ALBERTA MARK 71A X-GM462512- 
    DIAMOND CAPTAIN MARK 27C X-M463603-   
        GAFA CAPTAIN'S ROSEBUD DOLLY X-F650155- 
  CIRCLE M MARK'S LEGEND 9L X-[CAN]M468769-     
        DIAMOND BING BANG BOOM 3B X-M462873- 
      NORVYK DONNICA KATE 3D X-F662494-   
        NORVYK BROOME KATE 12B X-F659565- 
BUTTERFLY'S NECTAR 12N       
        PAINTEARTH MR MAJESTIC 17U -M457569- 
      PAINTEARTH MR CHIEF 52B X-M463271-   
        LONE SPRUCE FOUNDER X-F637029- 
  GLORY-JAY ELOQUENTBUTTERFLY 1E X-F665237-     
        BANNER ROYAL OAK 45E X-M441354- 
    LAZY H J BANNER BUTTERFLY 22Y X-F654509-   
      C F BUTTERFLY D T 81 -F654372- 

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Thanx Jaimie-since I picked  Butterflies 7 and10-AND: was about to list thier pedigrees (lol),you beat me to it.I wish I could type like that;you handled that almost as well as you handled AJ. (clapping) <beer> O0

 

[aj]

I still don't understand all the talk about cow families. Cow families are never talked about in production agriculture. Cow families are strictly a show cattle gimmick. Its a beauty contest. It is a joke. It is a way to sell some 4-h kid a female. "hey mamma this heifer is out Queen Sheba"...lets buy her. Its strictly a embryo transplant cow term. Its a joke its never about production.....its about a beauty contest. No one ever talks about the "rock solid" cow family. The cow that has raised 13 calves on the wind swept plains of Oklahoma. They very seldom talk about the cow that raised 3 sons that made herd sires. Cow families are a sales gimmick. Cow families are for strictly pretty cattle. Show ring cattle. You invite your Australian friend over and take the golf cart out and look at the purty cow and drink wine spritzers and talk about old England. I have been to National Cattle Assc. meetings. I have been to Kansas Livestock assciation meetings. NO ONE talks about cow families there. No one talks about cow families on ranch research stations. They talk about Sire Groups. I have never heard the cowboys at feedlots talk about cow families. I have never heard cow families mentioned at extension meetings or beef improvement meetings.Production agriculture is about production. Pounds weaned per cow exposed. Average daily gain and the feed conversion. Cow families are for SHOW CATTLE. I have heard semen directories mention cow families maybe 5 times in 20 years. Cow families are for queen Sheba for little quenn shebas to show. Cow families are for people who breed cattle strictly for visual appraisal......Cow families are for pretty cattle and pretty people. Just my opinion. signed angry bob aj

 

[coyote]

Well mad bob (sorry i spelled your name backwards) I think you are fed up with cows and you should move on to just raising bulls.
I just looked up Hoyts song  "Blind Fiddler" , first time I heard it , it is a pretty good tune.

 

[r.n.reed]

AJ, I think you have hit on somthing here!A guy could charge say 300.00/person plus meals to attened the meeting.The advertising could say''NEVER DISCUSSED AT A BEEF PRODUCTION SEMINAR IN MODERN HISTORY BEFORE!

 

[aj]

Silence the other alternative music. ;D

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I aint sellin that one-best cow on the place-the only way you people with them papered up cows can survive is sell yur good ones,these uns dont have to win no shows,so I can keep whatever hell I feel like.The only paper I need is at da owthowse. Sound familiar? It still shows the innate predeliction towards bovine breeding capabilities from one of the indigenous populants of my part of VA-Wva. Dont hate cause Im beutifull niether O0

 

[vanridge]

I still don't understand all the talk about cow families. Cow families are never talked about in production agriculture. Cow families are strictly a show cattle gimmick. Its a beauty contest. It is a joke. It is a way to sell some 4-h kid a female. "hey mamma this heifer is out Queen Sheba"...lets buy her. Its strictly a embryo transplant cow term. Its a joke its never about production.....its about a beauty contest. No one ever talks about the "rock solid" cow family. The cow that has raised 13 calves on the wind swept plains of Oklahoma. They very seldom talk about the cow that raised 3 sons that made herd sires. Cow families are a sales gimmick. Cow families are for strictly pretty cattle. Show ring cattle. You invite your Australian friend over and take the golf cart out and look at the purty cow and drink wine spritzers and talk about old England. I have been to National Cattle Assc. meetings. I have been to Kansas Livestock assciation meetings. NO ONE talks about cow families there. No one talks about cow families on ranch research stations. They talk about Sire Groups. I have never heard the cowboys at feedlots talk about cow families. I have never heard cow families mentioned at extension meetings or beef improvement meetings.Production agriculture is about production. Pounds weaned per cow exposed. Average daily gain and the feed conversion. Cow families are for SHOW CATTLE. I have heard semen directories mention cow families maybe 5 times in 20 years. Cow families are for queen Sheba for little quenn shebas to show. Cow families are for people who breed cattle strictly for visual appraisal......Cow families are for pretty cattle and pretty people. Just my opinion. signed angry bob aj

I absolutely disagree. When buying a bull I want to know about the cow familiy it comes from. When keeping replacement heifers, I look at who the dam is and what her performance is like. If the cow is useless but the heifer is "pretty", the heifer is still out of here! If you're only lookin' at the sire, you're only getting half the story. You'd be nuts if you didn't pay attention to cow families!

 

[Doc]

I still don't understand all the talk about cow families. Cow families are never talked about in production agriculture. Cow families are strictly a show cattle gimmick. Its a beauty contest. It is a joke. It is a way to sell some 4-h kid a female. "hey mamma this heifer is out Queen Sheba"...lets buy her. Its strictly a embryo transplant cow term. Its a joke its never about production.....its about a beauty contest. No one ever talks about the "rock solid" cow family. The cow that has raised 13 calves on the wind swept plains of Oklahoma. They very seldom talk about the cow that raised 3 sons that made herd sires. Cow families are a sales gimmick. Cow families are for strictly pretty cattle. Show ring cattle. You invite your Australian friend over and take the golf cart out and look at the purty cow and drink wine spritzers and talk about old England. I have been to National Cattle Assc. meetings. I have been to Kansas Livestock assciation meetings. NO ONE talks about cow families there. No one talks about cow families on ranch research stations. They talk about Sire Groups. I have never heard the cowboys at feedlots talk about cow families. I have never heard cow families mentioned at extension meetings or beef improvement meetings.Production agriculture is about production. Pounds weaned per cow exposed. Average daily gain and the feed conversion. Cow families are for SHOW CATTLE. I have heard semen directories mention cow families maybe 5 times in 20 years. Cow families are for queen Sheba for little quenn shebas to show. Cow families are for people who breed cattle strictly for visual appraisal......Cow families are for pretty cattle and pretty people. Just my opinion. signed angry bob aj

I gotta disagree with you AJ.(surprise surprise). I think commercial guys talk cow families all the time . Just in a different lingo.For example" #6365 brings in my heaviest calf every year and every heifer that she has I make sure I keep back to go in the herd". It's just that with reg. breeders they emphasize the female side & they are named , so it's easier to say that calf is out of my Shannon Music cow instead of my #40 cow.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I see both sides here. How come people get all fired up when a certain cow family name isnt continued? I am focusing on bulls that make good females. At least I think I am. I want to linebreed and breed like to like. I was always taught the quickest way to reach your goals is using bulls you bred out of your best proven cows? aj, I have never been to any of those high class meetings you speak of. guess I should go. I guess just find my happy medium and ride in my golf cart drinking PBR, knawing on some Copenhagen and seeing how far I can hit this golf ball over the herd. Cheerio ol chaps!

 

[Doc]

I see both sides here. How come people get all fired up when a certain cow family name isnt continued? I am focusing on bulls that make good females.

Don't you want to see how those good females that your bulls produce? I mean unless you track how those females produce , then they might as well be terminal cross heifers. And what better way and easier way of tracking them , then thru cow family names?

 

[thunderdownunder]

I still don't understand all the talk about cow families. Cow families are never talked about in production agriculture. Cow families are strictly a show cattle gimmick. Its a beauty contest. It is a joke. It is a way to sell some 4-h kid a female. "hey mamma this heifer is out Queen Sheba"...lets buy her. Its strictly a embryo transplant cow term. Its a joke its never about production.....its about a beauty contest. No one ever talks about the "rock solid" cow family. The cow that has raised 13 calves on the wind swept plains of Oklahoma. They very seldom talk about the cow that raised 3 sons that made herd sires. Cow families are a sales gimmick. Cow families are for strictly pretty cattle. Show ring cattle. You invite your Australian friend over and take the golf cart out and look at the purty cow and drink wine spritzers and talk about old England. I have been to National Cattle Assc. meetings. I have been to Kansas Livestock assciation meetings. NO ONE talks about cow families there. No one talks about cow families on ranch research stations. They talk about Sire Groups. I have never heard the cowboys at feedlots talk about cow families. I have never heard cow families mentioned at extension meetings or beef improvement meetings.Production agriculture is about production. Pounds weaned per cow exposed. Average daily gain and the feed conversion. Cow families are for SHOW CATTLE. I have heard semen directories mention cow families maybe 5 times in 20 years. Cow families are for queen Sheba for little quenn shebas to show. Cow families are for people who breed cattle strictly for visual appraisal......Cow families are for pretty cattle and pretty people. Just my opinion. signed angry bob aj

aj it would be great to see some photos of how selecting without emphasis on cow families has produced top bulls for you. I would love to be able to find a simpler way to produce quality seedstock (ie not worrying about the females). I visited a club calf herd today which places great emphasis on its cow families... will post pics soon... but I better tell them not to worry about the cow side of their pedigrees.

Jaimie.... great pics, I'll have to post more from my visit when I get a spare five minutes

 

[aj]

Easy tigerI'm just saying that a great grandam has what 12% of her influence in the calf. I wasn't talking about the Dam...the cow......I was talking about cow families. Forgive me if I don't sit in front of the firplace at night.......drinking gin and tonic.......listening to old Winston Churchhill speeches.........and reading pedigree's from old England. Heck I'm with Trevor. I'm happier than the Geico lizard doing the boot scoot boogie and looking at the BIG.........you know. It is interesting though that she is has a entire production sale listed for free on here. I guess if they are helping the guy out that has cancer that is okay. I'm just trying to keep ratings up!

 

[justintime]

Easy tigerI'm just saying that a great grandam has what 12% of her influence in the calf. I wasn't talking about the Dam...the cow......I was talking about cow families. Forgive me if I don't sit in front of the firplace at night.......drinking gin and tonic.......listening to old Winston Churchhill speeches.........and reading pedigree's from old England. Heck I'm with Trevor. I'm happier than the Geico lizard doing the boot scoot boogie and looking at the BIG.........you know. It is interesting though that she is has a entire production sale listed for free on here. I guess if they are helping the guy out that has cancer that is okay. I'm just trying to keep ratings up!

Anyone want to take a run at this and translate it for me? I've read it 3 times and am getting more confused with every read!

 

[aj]

You guys probably don't have the Geico commercial in Canada........I love that commercial.

 

[justintime]

You guys probably don't have the Geico commercial in Canada........I love that commercial.

We may not have things like Hamburger Helper, Cake mixes, or water in our houses, but we do have the Geico commercial!

 

[OH Breeder]

You guys probably don't have the Geico commercial in Canada........I love that commercial.

We may not have things like Hamburger Helper, Cake mixes, or water in our houses, but we do have the Geico commercial!

MY FAVORITE-----State Farm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYxz6cluskQ

 

[vanridge]

Easy tigerI'm just saying that a great grandam has what 12% of her influence in the calf. I wasn't talking about the Dam...the cow......I was talking about cow families. Forgive me if I don't sit in front of the firplace at night.......drinking gin and tonic.......listening to old Winston Churchhill speeches.........and reading pedigree's from old England. Heck I'm with Trevor. I'm happier than the Geico lizard doing the boot scoot boogie and looking at the BIG.........you know. It is interesting though that she is has a entire production sale listed for free on here. I guess if they are helping the guy out that has cancer that is okay. I'm just trying to keep ratings up!

Anyone want to take a run at this and translate it for me? I've read it 3 times and am getting more confused with every read!

I think what AJ is trying to say, is that he is jealous of jamiediamond and her obvious natural talent for finding good lookin' hard workin' cattle. And also her ability to retain a wealth of useful information about the cattle she is interested in.  If a dam is good and she is backed up by another good cow then you are more likely to produce a good replacement heifer or future sire. I believe it was Aussie that said it a long time ago in a post something about if you want to know what your girlfriend is going to look like in 40 years look at her mother.

 

[aj]

I like the lizard in the country western.....he gets down on the hardwood floor.......does kind of a gangster head swoop move....shakes his shoulders then does the line dance shaking his little hiney. Sometimes I wonder if he's real.....like maybe he's photo shopped or something.

 

[aj]

I think you are right vanridge.