Paddy O Malley Heifers

[BCCC]

What do you think of these two heifers? They are Paddy O Malley x Strictley Bussiness x Foreplay cow
Well I am going to be breeding theses two before too long. I have some WMW, Dr. Who, and Witch Dr. Was also thinking Gigolo Joe, Shiver or Jacees Ramblin Fever. Was kind of wanting to bred one to a PB maine so the calf would be able to be shown as a Maine and not a Maintainer.

 

[HeiferShower14]

look really good

 

[forbes family farms]

Look really nice

 

[lowann]

Nice!

 

[shortyjock89]

The big one is gonna be your best one. If you can get them both to drop in their flanks, they're both going to be pretty tough. 

 

[TMJ Show Cattle]

They look great. If they dropped in their flank,[I don't neccessarily think they need to] you wouldn't be able to take all the money to the bank in one trip.

 

[C-CROSS]

Just be careful when breeding them.  We bred them to final answer a true calve ease bull and still took one out the side. They seem to want to throw a little birth.  and yes I know about feed and such, these were nnot show heifers.

 

[jbzdad]

Bccc, if you don't mind , are those purebred maine or %, sorry I don't know just from your description

 

[jbzdad]

PHA status??

 

[BCCC]

Bccc, if you don't mind , are those purebred maine or %, sorry I don't know just from your description

I wish they were PB but they are 62% maine, and 8% Chi.

PHA status??

Just had to bring that darn thing up huh, unfortenatly they are PHAC, the test results were pending when I was looking at them, and I finally I just bought them so I wouldn't miss my ownership dead lines, and then about a week later found out they were PHAC.
Thanks for the comments, I think the smaller one is gona make some real good steers, she is packed with muscle, bone, and hair, just wish she was bigger framed, and deeper bodied. They will probably see some WMW or Witch Doctor.

 

[knabe]

this is why, if they come up positive, it is a good idea to be allowed to refuse them or take a percentage on their price if carriers.  as far as i'm concerned, how it was handled is really annoying by the seller.  if more people like you stuck to test results, these problems would go away. 

there is only one and only one reason to use a carrier, and that's to keep it in your own herd for a very specific reason.  i haven't verified it yet to see if it's true, but there is really only one reason and it has nothing to do with show cattle.

you shouldn't have to deal with this and i hope you get all females tested within 3 months after they hit the ground.  there is really no reason these heifers shouldn't have had their status known waaaaaaay early.  i am not preaching to you, but sellers.

this is bogus.

there is at least a couple of PHA free irish whiskey sons out there, and combined with the right neck/head, which my cow doesn't have, pendleton is going to be a decent bull.  you will hear more about him in denver this year as there will be calves there.

to me, he at least answers part of the stout question in the other thread.

on the bottom, he is double pc metric, double smithbuilt, triple smithbuilts sire out of a magic cow by irish whiskey in a pha free package.  so,... bysantin, dalton, therefore turquino, universe, only one shot of cunia.

he/his dam, is THE only reason to breed PHA cattle, not to pass on carriers to someone else.

there, you have it, all the carrier bloodlines in one package in a PHAF status.  a decent start rather than the same old boring solution of trying to put milk in red alert breeding.  you have to remember, that who red alert was bred to, still supposedly didn't milk.  you have to look elsewhere to find milk from her, which is available, just not in the pretty package, and yes, they are carcass attempted cattle, don't know if they are or not.

who knows, on the other hand, anything can be a dud, and nothing works on every cow, especially for maine's which tend to be a maternal breed, but which maybe is getting away from with the pud movement.

 

[BCCC]

this is why, if they come up positive, it is a good idea to be allowed to refuse them or take a percentage on their price if carriers.  as far as i'm concerned, how it was handled is really annoying by the seller.  if more people like you stuck to test results, these problems would go away. 

there is only one and only one reason to use a carrier, and that's to keep it in your own herd for a very specific reason.  i haven't verified it yet to see if it's true, but there is really only one reason and it has nothing to do with show cattle.

you shouldn't have to deal with this and i hope you get all females tested within 3 months after they hit the ground.  there is really no reason these heifers shouldn't have had their status known waaaaaaay early.  i am not preaching to you, but sellers.

this is bogus.

there is at least a couple of PHA free irish whiskey sons out there, and combined with the right neck/head, which my cow doesn't have, pendleton is going to be a decent bull.  you will hear more about him in denver this year as there will be calves there.

to me, he at least answers part of the stout question in the other thread.

on the bottom, he is double pc metric, double smithbuilt, triple smithbuilts sire out of a magic cow by irish whiskey in a pha free package.  so,... bysantin, dalton, therefore turquino, universe, only one shot of cunia.

he/his dam, is THE only reason to breed PHA cattle, not to pass on carriers to someone else.

there, you have it, all the carrier bloodlines in one package in a PHAF status.  a decent start rather than the same old boring solution of trying to put milk in red alert breeding.  you have to remember, that who red alert was bred to, still supposedly didn't milk.  you have to look elsewhere to find milk from her, which is available, just not in the pretty package, and yes, they are carcass attempted cattle, don't know if they are or not.

who knows, on the other hand, anything can be a dud, and nothing works on every cow, especially for maine's which tend to be a maternal breed, but which maybe is getting away from with the pud movement.

I'm not saying I don't wish they were PHAF but its not the sellers fault that they are carriers. I knew there was a possiblity that they could be carriers(same risk I took with many other whiskey females) Its not like since they are PHAC they are compleltly worthless. I also got a very good deal on them so I am satisfied with them.

 

[BCCC]

BTTT

 

[knabe]

its not the sellers fault that they are carriers.

really?

 

[kanshow]

I liked them when I saw them.  I thought they are a lot alike in person but tend to like the bigger one a little better.    The sensible side of me says to breed them to a proven CE bull like Gigalo Joe and get that first calf on the ground.  If you are going to try to get a good steer & want to sell it in Kansas, you are going to have to move them up to spring calving anyway.

 

[carl s.]

How the heck is it the sellers fault?  It's pretty hard to produce Paddy heifers without taking the risk of having PHA carriers in the offspring.

If the buyer knows there's a risk involved with them being carriers the only people that are harmed are people on Internet forums who feel the need to take offense at a completely manageable genetic disorder.

 

[BCCC]

its not the sellers fault that they are carriers.

really?

How do you expect the seller to make sure that a calf out of Paddy won't be a carrier? He can test it but that still won't change the fact that they could be carriers. Some people have to make some money out of this, and sending all your carrier calves to the sale barn isn't the best way to acheive that. These aren't the only PHAC heifers I have and I really don't care that they are, I can breed around it. Now this isn't going to turn into a big ole post on PHA and all the other defects, so move on about it. <beer>

 

[Joe Boy]

It is your choice and they are your cattle.  I don't go to sales where the seed stock are not tested.  I am not going to gamble on that, and that is my choice.  I will not intentionally buy a carrier.  You did and that is your choice and your desire.  You have to be a better manager than I will.  I breed Sunseeker.  I do not keep them or sell them as seed stock.  What does not go to the show barn (steers only), will go to the feed lot.  My choice because I would feel guilty if someone bought a carrier.  My brother does not follow my choice.  His choice.  He will have some troubles this next year.  His choice.  No vet bills or lost cows for me, my choice.  He will, his choice and his pocket book, his work, his loss, and his carcass on his farm.  I help him breed, but next September when he has a major surgery performed if he can get the vet, I will be in bed.  My choice.

If you do not want to buy semen, my choice would be Dr. Who to get show steer with a less chance of post legged bull that cannot last long in a herd.  Witch Dr. would be my second choice but I think the Dr. Who is closer to today's style and milks better in MHOP.

 

[kobo_ranch]

I just got on this post....and feel pretty silly, but since we're just back into the cattle business and have several nice Paddy heifers bred for next fall already, can you tell me how you do the 'test' you're talking about?  Can you do it yourself?  I don't quite understand all this carrier stuff...need to learn I know, and plan to do so.  But if someone will explain to me I'd sure appreciate it.
We've AI'd these heifers to the following....will we have problems?

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Would sure like to know now than later...hope I haven't goofed up on these girls, they are all real nice heifers.  (The dams are mostly angus with a little Maine and some Chi)

 

[knabe]

i think it's ok to use carriers and breed them clean.  just make sure to test the offspring so it won't be the buyers fault they are carriers.