Predictions... Who will be the next great breeding bull and why?

[Telos]

I thought this would be a fun and interesting thread to see what some of you might think will be  the next "great valued" breeding bull for the industry and why. This must be a bull that hasn't proven himself yet. Maybe he is only now a calf. He might be the next great cow maker etc.. Pedigree with notable cow families would be welcomed to support your reasons. A picture of your bull would also be nice. This bull could be clubby, maybe a cow maker or just an all around real world kind of bull.

I know "great valued" is a relative term but will let you make that decision as to why your bull would have value.

My prediction is that the Maine bull GVC Fortune & Glory will be a great valued breeding bull. I like his pedigree with SLC Sooner and he going back to two of Green Valley 's most predictable cow families. Only saw one calf, a heifer@ ZNT's,  but was she really good. I think his value will be in producing great show cattle and also real world type cows.

 

[Okotoks]

I think the next great shorthorn sire could be HC WARRIOR 10W a son of Saskvalley Pioneer 126P out of a Wolf Willow Major Leroy 1M daughter. He was shown at Agribition at foot of his two year old dam in the two year old class. This was in in my opinion one of the best if not the best classes of animals I have seen at any show ever and the stand out pair for me was HC Warrior 10W and his dam. This calf had a great looking moderate sized, good uddered dam. He has a low birth weight and exceptional growth and eye appeal even with frozen ears. Besides frozen ears is just unfortunate for showing him!

If I can add another it would be ME'N MY HAWKEYE 22W another son of Saskvalley Pioner 126P but out of a Salute two year old heifer bred and owned by a junior Sadie Anwender.

I actually think the shorthorn breed is about to explode with great new sires and they will useful in both the show and commercial market but I'm sure we will hear more about these two Pioneer sons.

 

[CAB]

I think the next great shorthorn sire could be HC WARRIOR 10W a son of Saskvalley Pioneer 126P out of a Wolf Willow Major Leroy 1M daughter. He was shown at Agribition at foot of his two year old dam in the two year old class. This was in in my opinion one of the best if not the best classes of animals I have seen at any show ever and the stand out pair for me was HC Warrior 10W and his dam. This calf had a great looking moderate sized, good uddered dam. He has a low birth weight and exceptional growth and eye appeal even with frozen ears. Besides frozen ears is just unfortunate for showing him!

If I can add another it would be ME'N MY HAWKEYE 22W another son of Saskvalley Pioner 126P but out of a Salute two year old heifer bred and owned by a junior Sadie Anwender.

I actually think the shorthorn breed is about to explode with great new sires and they will useful in both the show and commercial market but I'm sure we will hear more about these two Pioneer sons.

Where can we find more info please? Thanks.

 

[jaimiediamond]

HC Warrior 10W is a bull that you would have to ask JIT about.  I have attached a picture from the sale catalog (Sale was held April 2010)

 

[Okotoks]

Where can we find more info please? Thanks.
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I'm attaching Me'N My Hawkeye photos taken last April.

 

[Okotoks]

I think the next great shorthorn sire could be HC WARRIOR 10W a son of Saskvalley Pioneer 126P out of a Wolf Willow Major Leroy 1M daughter. He was shown at Agribition at foot of his two year old dam in the two year old class. This was in in my opinion one of the best if not the best classes of animals I have seen at any show ever and the stand out pair for me was HC Warrior 10W and his dam. This calf had a great looking moderate sized, good uddered dam. He has a low birth weight and exceptional growth and eye appeal even with frozen ears. Besides frozen ears is just unfortunate for showing him!

If I can add another it would be ME'N MY HAWKEYE 22W another son of Saskvalley Pioner 126P but out of a Salute two year old heifer bred and owned by a junior Sadie Anwender.

I actually think the shorthorn breed is about to explode with great new sires and they will useful in both the show and commercial market but I'm sure we will hear more about these two Pioneer sons.

Where can we find more info please? Thanks.

HC Warrior 10w x4164307 is searchable on either the ASA Search or CLRC.CA Sorthorn pedigree search
His CE EPD is +2.7  BW+2.0  WW+27  YW+37  Milk+2 Actual BW 72 lbs. Weaning 722 lbs.

 

[CAB]

  Thanks for the replies. I just got off of the Ph with the owner of the HC Warrior bull. He was RGC bull @ the Iowa State Fair. He's was weighing 1586 at the fair. Many great compliments on the bull. I am on the short list to try the bull next spring.

 

[HAB]

I may have to get on that list.  I think he would produce some nice blues out of my Galloway X Angus females.

 

[Shorthorns4us]

I can attest that the Warrior bull is a very nice, usable bull.  I also saw him at the Iowa State Fair and I know the owners were very pleased with the RGC!  I will be watching for semen availability.

 

[Okotoks]

That's right shorthorn breeders HC Warrior 10W and Me'N My Hawkeye 22W, you heard it here first!

 

[oakbar]

I really liked the HC Warrior bull at the Iowa State Fair.    Moves well, heavy muscled, loose made, moderate framed, and a super disposition.  If we could ever get the US markets past the "black hide myth" I'm sure packers would love to have a whole bunch of his sons. Should make really good show cattle on a wide variey of females while helping to moderate frame size.JMHO

 

[oakbar]

I forgot to add that I think Dale Studer's Jazz Man has  a good chance to be a really great sire!!

 

[CAB]

I forgot to add that I think Dale Studer's Jazz Man has  a good chance to be a really great sire!!

I sure like the looks of Studer's Big John. Does anyone know anything about this bull?

 

[Okotoks]

I forgot to add that I think Dale Studer's Jazz Man has  a good chance to be a really great sire!!

I sure like the looks of Studer's Big John. Does anyone know anything about this bull?

He's by Roanoake Flashback 704 out of an Eionmor Ultra 8C cow. Interesting he brings a cross of TPS Coronet Leader 21st as does Jake's Proud Jazz.I think we will be able to recombine some of our older genetics with todays to get the birth weights down.

 

[zak]

For producing showsteers I think it's sun seeker. I have seen a lot of great calves out of his daughters.

Zak

 

[justintime]

I really liked the HC Warrior bull at the Iowa State Fair.    Moves well, heavy muscled, loose made, moderate framed, and a super disposition.  If we could ever get the US markets past the "black hide myth" I'm sure packers would love to have a whole bunch of his sons. Should make really good show cattle on a wide variey of females while helping to moderate frame size.JMHO

You are right about the great disposition that Warrior has. The Leroy offspring have the best dispositions I have ever had and he must have inherited this from his dam. Actually the Pioneer calves are excellent as well. Many of the Leroy calves have never even pulled on the halter when they were tied up for the first time. Warrior was also like this. I never really had to halter break him as he lead from the first time I put the halter on him. He literally hardly even pulled on the halter when I led him the length of the barn and tied him in a pen, less than a couple minutes after he was introduced to a halter.

Shortly after I purchased Major Leroy from Erwin and Kathy Rosenkranz ( Wolf Willow), they brought two cows and calves down here so that the cows could be flushed. Both calves were sired by Leroy, and I thought at the time that it was amazing when they led these calves off the trailer. I asked them how long they had been working with them to get them to lead, and Erwin responded that he had haltered them in the pasture( with no panels or corrals... he simply put the halter on them and led them to the trailer) .
Here is a pic of Warrior and his dam at Agribition last fall. She weighed 1565 and he was 970 and they had only seen show ration for 2 months. She is very, very moderate framed and a real tank.

 

[knabe]

a fullblood with some shorter stature, milk and no PHA, TH, monkey mouth spastic pareisis.  he could be a carrier for double muscling though.

 

[Telos]

Here's a calf that might not be everyones cup of tea but one I think has tremendous value potential. His name is RJ Vegas Night 0822. He was recently selected grand bull as a young calf at the Kentucky State Chi show. His mother was the reserve grand Chi-Angus female at this years Junior National and is sired by QLC La Grand Forum. Vegas Night was nursing his moma as she won the cow-calf division and then overall reserve. His maternal grand mother, FBF Nevada Nights, was a division champion at the NAILE and is also a tremendous producing cow. Vegas Night's sire is the Ard Ridge Black Mail 2CA bull who also goes back to one of their best cows.

I predict this is going to make a great breeding bull that should compliment a number of different cow types. What I like best about this guy is his parentage, being stacked with great cow families (good phenotype and maternal). He also has really good angle in that hind leg design and feel he will really work on those genetics that are too straight. A unique calf that looks promising, IMO.  

Pictured is: (1) FBF Nevada Nights (maternal grand dam) and her heifer calf which is the mother to RJ Vegas Nights. (2) Vegas Night and his mother winning reserve at this years Junior National.  

 

[Okotoks]

Here's a calf that might not be everyones cup of tea but one I think has tremendous value potential. His name is RJ Vegas Night 0822. He was recently selected grand bull as a young calf at the Kentucky State Chi show. His mother was the reserve grand Chi-Angus female at this years Junior National and is sired by QLC La Grand Forum. Vegas Night was nursing his moma as she won the cow-calf division and then overall reserve. His maternal grand mother, FBF Nevada Nights, was a division champion at the NAILE and is also a tremendous producing cow. Vegas Night's sire is the Ard Ridge Black Mail 2CA bull who also goes back to one of their best cows.

Cecil Staples once told me that one of the ways to get good cows was to look for a good bull calf out of a two year old. He figured the bulls daughters would also be productive and if they could produce exceptional as a two year olds chances are they would just keep doing it. I am also a big believer that a bull should have maternal power in his background and RJ Vegas Night 0822 seems to have it in dam and grand dam.
Will be interesting to see if we hear from him in the future.

 

[afhm]

One of our best producing bulls was out of a 1st calf heifer.  One of the other best producing bulls was out of a 18 yo cow. I guess if a cow that old can produce and raise a good one still that would be a good indicator of his potential.