Question about cooking feed.

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simba

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I was told that soaking the barley that I'm feeding my steers will help increase weight gain. My dad is going to build a box with a light in it (so it doesn't freeze in the winter) that I can soak the barley in. I was just  wondering if anyone knows the water to grain ratio I'd use and how much the barley will expand so we know how big to build the box. I was told to soak 1/3 of the barley I'm feeding and leave the other 2/3 dry. Do you agree? Also would it be beinficial to soak the canola meal I'm feeding too? Any info will help, Thanks!
 

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If the canola meal wasn't pelleted it would turn to absolute mush... Now that I think of it so would pellets.  I don't see any advantage to soaking barley.  It will probably just be a hassle and if your north of Iowa the feed will most like ly freeze if he doesnt eat in 20-25 minutes.  Is he fed by himself or with others?  If so are the others feeders or shown?
 

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soaking seeds causes the endosperm to change carbohydrates to sugar.

i don't know if it's better to convert carbs to sugar in the rumen or first.  if you do it first, and there is a lot of it fed, you may change the flora of the rumen and cause acidosis.

there's a couple of people on here studying the rumen in grad school i think.  maybe they can offer a more definitive answer.
 

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RankeCattleCo said:
If the canola meal wasn't pelleted it would turn to absolute mush... Now that I think of it so would pellets.  I don't see any advantage to soaking barley.  It will probably just be a hassle and if your north of Iowa the feed will most like ly freeze if he doesnt eat in 20-25 minutes.  Is he fed by himself or with others?  If so are the others feeders or shown?

He's being fed with a Jan 2011 bull calve that will be shown & sold in March. I live in Albera Canada, and it gets pretty cold.
 

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Larissa said:
RankeCattleCo said:
If the canola meal wasn't pelleted it would turn to absolute mush... Now that I think of it so would pellets.  I don't see any advantage to soaking barley.  It will probably just be a hassle and if your north of Iowa the feed will most like ly freeze if he doesnt eat in 20-25 minutes.  Is he fed by himself or with others?  If so are the others feeders or shown?

He's being fed with a Jan 2011 bull calve that will be shown & sold in March. I live in Albera Canada, and it gets pretty cold.

Once that bull calf leaves he probably won't be as competitive for feed so i would think the feed would either mold or freeze depending on weather conditions obviously,  he'll be more likely to graze throughout the day.
 

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I dont ever just soak anything I feed.  I sometimes "cook" things that I feed.  Rolled corn, beat pulp.  I do this by getting really hot water, pouring it over whatever I am "cooking" in one of those orange coolers and screwing the lid on and letting it sit for about 15 minutes. I always just eyeball it for how much water and squeeze some out.  My reasons, and why I was told to do it yrs ago with beat pulp, is that "cooking" or basically steaming it like this brings out some of the natural sugars in the beat pulp making it more palatable for some calves, I think the same goes with the corn.  I know some that "cook" their corn in a crock pot also.  I also find that when its really cold the warmer feed makes them dig in a little better sometime. 
You dont want to cook for a long time though, you dont want it to expand much before feeding, that would actually reverse the effect.  To get more gain out of the barley they need to consume more barley, if it expands a lot from cooking, they are going to fill up on less and not get as much nutritional value.  We feed the beat pulp, which is dried as I assume you know, in order to increase fill.  The goal is for it to expand in their stomach and hold that fill while it breaks down, if it was already expanded a lot when you fed it you wouldnt get as much result.  The cooking is actually more to increase palatability, so you want to cook it just enough to bring out the sugars and make it taste better to them, but not to the point of it expanding and decreasing their consumption.  Thats why I just use hot water and the cooler.
 

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twistedhshowstock said:
I dont ever just soak anything I feed.  I sometimes "cook" things that I feed.  Rolled corn, beat pulp.  I do this by getting really hot water, pouring it over whatever I am "cooking" in one of those orange coolers and screwing the lid on and letting it sit for about 15 minutes. I always just eyeball it for how much water and squeeze some out.  My reasons, and why I was told to do it yrs ago with beat pulp, is that "cooking" or basically steaming it like this brings out some of the natural sugars in the beat pulp making it more palatable for some calves, I think the same goes with the corn.  I know some that "cook" their corn in a crock pot also.  I also find that when its really cold the warmer feed makes them dig in a little better sometime. 
You dont want to cook for a long time though, you dont want it to expand much before feeding, that would actually reverse the effect.  To get more gain out of the barley they need to consume more barley, if it expands a lot from cooking, they are going to fill up on less and not get as much nutritional value.  We feed the beat pulp, which is dried as I assume you know, in order to increase fill.  The goal is for it to expand in their stomach and hold that fill while it breaks down, if it was already expanded a lot when you fed it you wouldnt get as much result.  The cooking is actually more to increase palatability, so you want to cook it just enough to bring out the sugars and make it taste better to them, but not to the point of it expanding and decreasing their consumption.  Thats why I just use hot water and the cooler.

Thanks so much! This is really helpful! So would you pour hot water over all of the barley you are feeding or just a portion? (I was told to cook just 1/3) What do you think?
 
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