Red Bull? Is he worth showing?

[reno1014]

I have a one year old 3/4 Simmi x 1/4 Angus out of Remington 54 U he ended up being red.  I was told that he wouldnt do good because he is red, I entered Ft. Worth anyways.  Anyone have any thoughts about my bull calf?  Am I wasting my time and dollars?

 

[Telos]

He appears to be a nice calf with good muscle expression. My concern from the photo would be that he might be a little too shallow bodied.  If he is correct in his structure and moves freely it might be worth taking him to a show.  If in fact he doesn't have the depth, I feel he would have a difficult time getting to the top of his class. JMHO based on the picture.

 

[reno1014]

Thank  you I really appreciate the opinion!  He is free moving and has no structure problems.  I too was concerned about the depth as well as him pinching a bit behind the shoulders.  I changed his feed some as I was mostly grazing him during the summer when this pic was taken.  He is very hairy now and has "bodied down" more.  I am going from a "steer mom" to my own thing and haveint got a clue so any advice is very helpful!

 

[RyanChandler]

There's no place for crossbred sires.  He would have prolly fed out pretty nicely as a fat steer though.

 

[ROMAX]

There's no place for crossbred sires.  He would have prolly fed out pretty nicely as a fat steer though.

You might want to remember what website you are on.This isn't cattletoday.com

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I would take him if it isnt a strain-Hereford appearing-even brockle appearing cattle are becoming big time popular-and although JMO Id fault him pins to hooks in that picture-hes got alot of muscle,and really is NOT that shallow at all for a yearling-JMO-he shows enough performance that a commercial guy who also sells club calves-wouyld appreciate him-NOW -SOMEBODY TELL ME IF IM OUT OF LINE (aint this fun) -thanks-Mark T O0

 

[RyanChandler]

There's no place for crossbred sires.  He would have prolly fed out pretty nicely as a fat steer though.

You might want to remember what website you are on.This isn't cattletoday.com

The fundamental philosophies I subscribe to don't waver with the company I'm in.  Purebred bulls on crossbred cows is 101.

 

[reno1014]

Okay there is a class for US crossbred people....I know because I entered him in it.  That being said....I am pretty sure my bull calf will do something even if it is last place I have lots of guys wanting to breed him to their cows. I wanted some opinions from people that have been here and done that.  I want an honest opinion on his color, and his stature.  I am not after the prize just the experience....

 

[CWshorthorns]

IMO i would show him if people have asked about him then he must have something to offer to some people. I have found that it is better to market your cattle for your area as it sounds like you have. as said earlier might need a little more gut from the picture you have posted.

 

[RidinHeifer]

Reno...just go show!  Have the good time and see how you come out.  If you win you win, if you lose at least you tried and are proud of what you raised. 

 

[WKYIronMike]

Looks pretty good to me, might need a bit more depth but there isn't a perfect animal out there, therefore I'll take him to show and wouldn't think twice about using him as a herd bull. Sure several like blacks better but there is always a place for nice red bulls.

 

[Cattle Cards]

Reno, have you see the bull Houston X01 (Red 3/4 Simmental)?  2011 Simmental Breeders Sweepstakes Grand Champion Bull  http://allens5xfarm.com/Sires.html
Also sired one heck of a heifer that went through the Texas Limited Edition Sale in October.
Just do right by him, have him ready, get him fit and get him shown.  Let everyone else sit back and wonder...Good Luck and I'll be watching for you.

 

[jfarms]

Why does it matter if he is crossbred 3/4 Sim 1/4 Angus ??? He would make PB if bred to PB and 5/8 if he was bred to a sim angus??? Both have registered offspring.

 

[JTM]

There's no place for crossbred sires.  He would have prolly fed out pretty nicely as a fat steer though.

That's the silliest thing I've heard in a while... 

 

[KSanburg]

I would like to see a picture of the bull with his head up just to get a better aspect of what we are looking at, The picture that you have post makes the bull look very mature for his age. IMO I think we are at a cross roads in the cattle industry where cross bred bulls are becoming more and more common place, I mean by in large a few of the breeds that are mainly black today, originally were red or red/white including simmy. Now we see more and more cattle that are crossed up in some fashion be marketed as composite or balancer and commercial cattlemen purchasing these cattle because to the traits they believe they want to use in their operations. After all the average commercial operation is looking to make pounds of beef and to be real honest the bull pictured is a damn site better than what I see running around a lot of breeding pastures.

Realizing that using a cross bred bull on cross bred cows is a terminal program and I personally would not want to keep any heifers out of that type of breeding program.

 

[garybob]

Like many good sire-candidates, he is a "tool", not the entire "Hardware Store". I like the fact that he was slick-haired during the grazing season.
Big-time advantage for those of Us in the Fescue Belt. He's only a "tick" trimmer-middled, but not gutless. He's work nicely on a lot of Angus cows, and most importantly, stamp at least 30% of his calves as "baldies".

GB

 

[J2F]

If you like him and want the experience then take him.There will be some see him and like him, some not like him and some snob try to say he doesn't belong there like the first bull they took won grand champion. Just go and have fun and learn.  (thumbsup)

 

[RyanChandler]

Why does it matter if he is crossbred 3/4 Sim 1/4 Angus ??? He would make PB if bred to PB and 5/8 if he was bred to a sim angus??? Both have registered offspring.

Simply put - because he's genetics aren't stabalized.  There are many reasons to avoid unstable genetics: most importantly- lack of consistency.  The ideal sire is heavily linebred where his genetics are tightly-wound. ie highly predictable.  A cross bred bull takes the "outcross" philosophy to the extreme.

 

[RyanChandler]

There's no place for crossbred sires.  He would have prolly fed out pretty nicely as a fat steer though.

That's the silliest thing I've heard in a while... 

I couldn't help but take your comments in the thread you started and apply them here:


"I just think it's funny that the whole motivation for writing this topic was to warn new comers to the cattle scene and help them understand some things but it's almost like some people have a problem with that. I pointed out some things that are undisputable within the cattle scene. Is part of it me venting a little bit? Sure it is. Not because I'm tired of losing or nobody showed up to a sale I had, but because I sincerely think that it's wrong. I'm not trying to tell people what to breed or that they shouldn't show cattle. I am just laying out some good information that they should know going in that will help them make decisions about how they are going to conduct their program. If this hurts somebody's feelings or gets them defensive I am not going to apologize for speaking the truth. You can either fall in line, play the game and shush your mouth, or do like I am doing, breeding what I want, taking the liberty to share with others my experiences, and feeling good about it"  <beer>

 

[vc]

X-Bar you crack me up, breed the cattle you want to breed, follow your ideals and let the rest go about raising cattle the way they feel is right for them, Sim-Angus sell pretty well all over, infact there are some people who have made good money on that cross.
Travel around some other states and look at the junk people run with their cows, how does one get consistency from a cow herd when they run what looks like Angus, Hereford, along with some eared bulls all in the same pasture full of cows, that look like a box of crayons. It must work because they have looked that way for the past 20 years.

As far as the bull goes, I'd like to see an updated picture of him, he does have some power to him. Run him on some Durham cows and you could get some powerful red showcalves out of him.