Shoshone Angus

[trevorgreycattleco]

No worries about where a thread goes for me. Dover Ranch and Shoshone have alot in common just different colors but same type IMO. I like to see redbulls heifers winning the range condition show deal. No fluffing just bring em in and sort em. I just like the idea of the rules for that show. Refreshing.  The Duke of Earl. Cool name, nice bull,  nice pics from beatiful country. Any ranches/small farms for rent out your way? I'm tired of seeing all these awesome views where you folks live on a computer. Can't sell bulls in Ohio anyway. If you can my hats off to you. <beer>

 

[Redbulls#2]

No worries about where a thread goes for me. Dover Ranch and Shoshone have alot in common just different colors but same type IMO. I like to see redbulls heifers winning the range condition show deal. No fluffing just bring em in and sort em. I just like the idea of the rules for that show. Refreshing.  The Duke of Earl. Cool name, nice bull,  nice pics from beatiful country. Any ranches/small farms for rent out your way? I'm tired of seeing all these awesome views where you folks live on a computer. Can't sell bulls in Ohio anyway. If you can my hats off to you. <beer>

Trevor, Thanks for your comments. I am really pleased with the Dover Ranch influence is working for us."YY The Earl of Dover 118U" seems to be true calving ease with some real solid performance also. As for ranches/farms out here, I'll keep an eye out for you! Getting back to the original topic- One of my favorite Larry Leonhardt (Shoshone Angus) quotes is: "Nobody wants to buy my bulls, but everyone wants to buy my cows!"

 

[Okotoks]

No worries about where a thread goes for me. Dover Ranch and Shoshone have alot in common just different colors but same type IMO. I like to see redbulls heifers winning the range condition show deal. No fluffing just bring em in and sort em. I just like the idea of the rules for that show. Refreshing.  The Duke of Earl. Cool name, nice bull,  nice pics from beatiful country. Any ranches/small farms for rent out your way? I'm tired of seeing all these awesome views where you folks live on a computer. Can't sell bulls in Ohio anyway. If you can my hats off to you. <beer>

Trevor, Thanks for your comments. I am really pleased with the Dover Ranch influence is working for us."YY The Earl of Dover 118U" seems to be true calving ease with some real solid performance also. As for ranches/farms out here, I'll keep an eye out for you! Getting back to the original topic- One of my favorite Larry Leonhardt (Shoshone Angus) quotes is: "Nobody wants to buy my bulls, but everyone wants to buy my cows!"

That's the same problem we are trying to overcome in the Shorthorn breed. Commercial men want to buy the shorthorn heifers instead of buying a bull to produce the heifers themselves.

 

[garybob]

No worries about where a thread goes for me. Dover Ranch and Shoshone have alot in common just different colors but same type IMO. I like to see redbulls heifers winning the range condition show deal. No fluffing just bring em in and sort em. I just like the idea of the rules for that show. Refreshing.  The Duke of Earl. Cool name, nice bull,  nice pics from beatiful country. Any ranches/small farms for rent out your way? I'm tired of seeing all these awesome views where you folks live on a computer. Can't sell bulls in Ohio anyway. If you can my hats off to you. <beer>

Trevor, Thanks for your comments. I am really pleased with the Dover Ranch influence is working for us."YY The Earl of Dover 118U" seems to be true calving ease with some real solid performance also. As for ranches/farms out here, I'll keep an eye out for you! Getting back to the original topic- One of my favorite Larry Leonhardt (Shoshone Angus) quotes is: "Nobody wants to buy my bulls, but everyone wants to buy my cows!"

That's the same problem we are trying to overcome in the Shorthorn breed. Commercial men want to buy the shorthorn heifers instead of buying a bull to produce the heifers themselves.

Thedorks won't even buy a muli-generation solid-red one, either.
GB

 

[garybob]

Seriously. If they have black, orange, or yellow cows, their best bet would be to buy a Red Shorthorn bull, and keep the heifers. Sumbitches still won't do it, though. Maybe up there, but not down here.

GB

 

[Aussie]

Getting back to the original topic- One of my favorite Larry Leonhardt (Shoshone Angus) quotes is: "Nobody wants to buy my bulls, but everyone wants to buy my cows!"

That is because the angus bull herd is figure driven. Buy a Shoshone cow flush to the highest epd bull the computer can find and sell progeny. For some reason it does not work with the PR the other way. JMO

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Another example of breeding your cows to your bulls in this pic. The reason I put it up is because of how feminine the cow is and how masculine the bull is. These are cattle in Alberta I believe and are heavily Shoshone influenced. Same theme I have noticed with the Dover cattle. Makes me believe breeding your own cattle instead of bringing them in from all over is what purebred breeders breeding for commercial enterprises should be focused on. Hard to get any predictability IMO without going this route. Your always looking for the next bull to fix when if you breed like these folks, your next herd bull is out nursing your best cow.

 

[kfacres]

Another example of breeding your cows to your bulls in this pic. The reason I put it up is because of how feminine the cow is and how masculine the bull is. These are cattle in Alberta I believe and are heavily Shoshone influenced. Same theme I have noticed with the Dover cattle. Makes me believe breeding your own cattle instead of bringing them in from all over is what purebred breeders breeding for commercial enterprises should be focused on. Hard to get any predictability IMO without going this route. Your always looking for the next bull to fix when if you breed like these folks, your next herd bull is out nursing your best cow.

ditto.. someday trev. you will succeed at this thing.. and when you do.. go ahead and send me a payment heifer calf for saying I told you so.  IMO, nobody will ever get anywhere buying and using everyone else's bloodlines.  You have to make your own.  It's like this, by buying from and using your competition, you can't beat them.  

IMHO, the only way to get where you really want to be, is find some old guy who's been doing this forever, and buddy up to him.  Buy what he's built up over a lifetime, and then you'll be way ahead.  Or I also believe that could be obtained in a dispersal sale, one like a Dover, Shoshone, etc...  You just can't be afraid to spend to  much on them, and cull everything, or almost everything you currently have when you get to this point...  Then continue linebreeding, linebreeding, and start playing with a little outcross.. but not to much, and don't get all psyco on them either, since you don't want to "ruin" your herd.  

The thing about keeping what you have, and trying to linebreed, or build them up, is that you really don't know whats in there, and life's to short to do this..  May as well start out where you want to be, instead of trying your whole life to get there. 

This is a road I have taken with my life, and gotten very lucky with it.  

 

[BadgerFan]

Another example of breeding your cows to your bulls in this pic. The reason I put it up is because of how feminine the cow is and how masculine the bull is. These are cattle in Alberta I believe and are heavily Shoshone influenced. Same theme I have noticed with the Dover cattle. Makes me believe breeding your own cattle instead of bringing them in from all over is what purebred breeders breeding for commercial enterprises should be focused on. Hard to get any predictability IMO without going this route. Your always looking for the next bull to fix when if you breed like these folks, your next herd bull is out nursing your best cow.

It's not where these cattle were born that made them a type.  It's the selection and breeding decisions made by the breeder. 

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Another example of breeding your cows to your bulls in this pic. The reason I put it up is because of how feminine the cow is and how masculine the bull is. These are cattle in Alberta I believe and are heavily Shoshone influenced. Same theme I have noticed with the Dover cattle. Makes me believe breeding your own cattle instead of bringing them in from all over is what purebred breeders breeding for commercial enterprises should be focused on. Hard to get any predictability IMO without going this route. Your always looking for the next bull to fix when if you breed like these folks, your next herd bull is out nursing your best cow.

It's not where these cattle were born that made them a type.  It's the selection and breeding decisions made by the breeder. 

I agree. I'm not saying where these cattle are born makes them like this. I'm saying when breeding seedstock for prepotency for the commercial man one must use sons of his best cows that have been hopefully linebred to insure consistency for the customer. You can only breed what your your enviroment allows to be successful I guess but I don't understand the reason for raising purebred stock for any other reason than to supply the commercial fella with a superior product that he can cross for maximum profit. Thats my goal anyway.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Another example of breeding your cows to your bulls in this pic. The reason I put it up is because of how feminine the cow is and how masculine the bull is. These are cattle in Alberta I believe and are heavily Shoshone influenced. Same theme I have noticed with the Dover cattle. Makes me believe breeding your own cattle instead of bringing them in from all over is what purebred breeders breeding for commercial enterprises should be focused on. Hard to get any predictability IMO without going this route. Your always looking for the next bull to fix when if you breed like these folks, your next herd bull is out nursing your best cow.

ditto.. someday trev. you will succeed at this thing.. and when you do.. go ahead and send me a payment heifer calf for saying I told you so.  IMO, nobody will ever get anywhere buying and using everyone else's bloodlines.  You have to make your own.  It's like this, by buying from and using your competition, you can't beat them.  

IMHO, the only way to get where you really want to be, is find some old guy who's been doing this forever, and buddy up to him.  Buy what he's built up over a lifetime, and then you'll be way ahead.  Or I also believe that could be obtained in a dispersal sale, one like a Dover, Shoshone, etc...  You just can't be afraid to spend to  much on them, and cull everything, or almost everything you currently have when you get to this point...  Then continue linebreeding, linebreeding, and start playing with a little outcross.. but not to much, and don't get all psyco on them either, since you don't want to "ruin" your herd.  

The thing about keeping what you have, and trying to linebreed, or build them up, is that you really don't know whats in there, and life's to short to do this..  May as well start out where you want to be, instead of trying your whole life to get there. 

This is a road I have taken with my life, and gotten very lucky with it.  

If your right, you can have a heifer! Take that to the bank. As long as we can split a flush right?? JK

 

[kfacres]

sounds like a business partnership in the making...  breed em right, build em good, and enjoy!

 

[kfacres]

sounds like a business partnership in the making...  breed em right, build em good, and enjoy!

You know though, I'm not sold on flushing, yet.. these old boys who've done all they've done, and gotten where they are.. haven't flushed a single cow.  To me, a herd that's consistant in phenotype, and pedigree... is far more valuable, than one thats a little less consistant in pheno, and exact in pedigree.  To have one great one, and 50 recips.. really isn't much to look at... but to have 100 good ones.. now that's something to admire.  I know there are several out there who milk that one donor for all she's worth...  I don't think they have brains.. just money to keep flushing her to every bull under the sun. 

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Once again I agree. A donor cow to me is a older cow that has earned her way to that status. I know thats not what is cool now except for Minnie Lou Bradley and a few others. So I guess i should rephrase that piece. When I get a awesome old cow that needs flushed, you can spilt a few with me. I like the sounds of that more.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Another Shoshone bull that did not show what we would normally look for in a bull at a yearling. Look what he turned in to. I wish I had a yearling pic but all I can tell u is he was not thought  of highly  at a year. Keeney's Corner has totally turned my way of looking at things. Highly linebred purebreds being produced to cross for maximum profit. I know I may sound like a skipping record but this is so cool for me to learn about these herds, I just want to share. You certainly don't have to agree with me. sjcattle is on to something....... masculine bulls to feminine cows. So simple in theory.

 

[Okotoks]

We have done linebreeding in our program but always kept a couple of other lines going at the same time. We have reduced the size of our herd so now it is a bit more challenging to do. Does anyone know if these linebred herds have kept track of longevity in their programs? It seems it is one of the overlooked traits in most herds as a lot of people follow the latest fad and so the turnover of the cow herd is quite high.(the argument being the there is rapid progress so the cows are replaced quickly) It seems to me if the turnover is high you can't evaluate a lot of functional traits. In a commercial herd the longer a cow stays around the more coupons you can clip before having to put a daughter in the replacement pen. You would think since these herds are fixing a type they might retain the top females longer.