Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.

[mark tenenbaum]

I stopped in Ohio and saw American Muscle-he wasnt as extreme as the picture at all-but he was pretty stout-I was dissapointed when I got behind him He wasnt real wide great side profile-good natured too. The FREAK was Gizmos Image he was outrageous-lynnette Jane on here had a couple really thick stout cows out of him-but the owner was sort of a wierd guy and raised the semen to 150 a straw etc-dont think he had many takers LOL O0

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I’m just reading and watching this unfold. I asked a question. I don’t have an opinion on my question. That’s why I asked the question lol. If you read the semen sales books on the angus, the new catch phrase seems to be “base width”. Seems to me these bulls are being promoted because angus cattle at becoming to frail. Look at the post Aussie put up discussing this.

Shorthorns have clearly lacked base width and mass in general for decades. Why else would Maine’s be brought in. I was just curious if there was any bulls that were outliers. But proven outliers. I read way too often a shorthorn calf was 95 plus pounds at birth and can’t hit 600 at weaning. That’s a big red flag. Page after page of angus bulls that are calving ease with some grow to em. So many different types in the angus breed. Shorthorn gene pool is much smaller so we will have to combine some fire and ice matings if we want to get some curve bender type cattle being marketed.

Last two years I used a son of Wolf Ridge Red Commander. He was out of a JSF Reload cow. He did a really good job here. Made some nice calves. I needed some money so I sold him last December to GaryBob. Calves have really finished well in general. I kept a heifer out of him to breed on and Linnette Jane has two heifers out of the bull from last year. It’s like Heath said earlier. Where do we go from here? You can breed the SULL cattle or you can try and breed something different.

I started this thread to just have folks throw out bulls they think could work. I certainly don’t have any intentions to come on here and tell others my cattle are better than theirs.

 

[RyanChandler]

Terrible picture at badger 2 months ago-Is one was reserve to a full grown pud-shes full sib to the creole that won all over last year-second blue -NO SHE DOESNT NORMALLY STAND LIKE THAThad 2 full sib steers sell in Iowa-at a sale in November with other breeds for 6600-and 14000 The third Crimson tide is a really correct sound heifer to be that thick-AGAIN bad picture-again thats what this thread is about-the white heifer DUH is last-PS-she was sold to Inndiana to people that SHOW CATTLE AND WIN-(the androgenenous unthick cliches have me laughing really Ive been online and seen your cattle-if you arent looking for actual advice from real time cattle that exist on a basic farm-to make them "wider"- these cattle MILK-they arent skinny and hardoing they raise and wean heavy calves that are stout-that do not go to the sale barn-that people want to buy THEY ARE DIFFERENT IN TYPE NOW-LETS SEE YOURS) The white hiefer was sold for 14000-at 6 months-Who the f#%&()K cares about the price-his wife came down with cancer that was that. All 4 of these calves are from the same 3 year old cow pictured with her 1st daughter-at the Jr Nationals Optical illusion they are both the same size-OH SEE THE SHORTHORN STEER COUNTERPART BESIDE THEM? Hes part of the clan too-AND HE AINT NO PUD Hes an April there at the junior Nationals-is a full dib to the three year old cow So-theres a 3 year old cow-that has already produced 4 really good matings out of entirely different breeds of bulls and a very good first calf hirfer (her first calf) standing next to her-(Ive got other pictures that really show them but am not going to waste my time) I want to see the cattle you have produced that address this post-to the letter of the " kids" request since he doesnt want to answer anyone"s input Maybe its a ***** wussy game to draw some llrgit cattle on that arent like his so he can poo poo them in comparison to so called "performance cattle"-Ive seen alot of interesting cattle at Promised Land-and some of the shorthorn by fullbloods would really hit with performance bred cattle-so would his blue crosses- I think that the bull he had out of K KIM Gold Version: PLCC GOLDSTANDARD that was shown at the Montana big show was really good-being appendix out of a cool 20 20 Vision x range cow made him all the more cool to me-thats another example of the type that will change them in alot of ways-especially  when it comes to width from behind  and since his sire was a very good performance deal-hes yet another point you are missing-prove me wrong  with pictures of yours from behind Yes I realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder-and no animal is perfect but these cattle are NOTHING like yours so trying to equate them to that vision aint gonna stand on this thread-even if it is a petty game. And your observations dont mean sh*&&$T until you back them up with solid examples of your cattle that fit this thread(pop) O0

This is one of your more bizarre post I've ever seen.  If you'll go back and READ my initial post on this page, you'll see how strange and unwarranted most of your comments here are:

I’m with you in that I’d certainly like to add some thickness to my cowherd in general...

Equally bizarre is how you keep referring to the OP as a kid.  You must have also missed:

I’m glad you started this post.  When you asked me the other night, I was honestly stumped.

Do you really think I spend my evening talking to kids? The OP is a 40+ yr old man you're talking about. 

I'm not sure what it is "I'm to prove you wrong about?"  Again another bizarro comment.  Maybe the show steer type females address the OP's question but I find that, like I said previously, unfortunate, that these types are our only option??

Imagine if the question were about Angus bulls to add thickness-- Bulls that would come to my mind would be those like Ohlde's or one like Coleman Charlo. Bulls that are of the TYPE that cattleman still value. You know, bulls that look like male powerlifters as opposed to your go to: the butch dyke softball looking types.  But no -- not in Shorthorns.  In Shorthorns, if you want to thicken: as in develop more of a beef phenotype less dairy- you have the clubby show steer types and that's it? What a joke.  Surely this isn't so.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

The cattle I shared all have real world performance and are not really clubby in terms of what they actually do everyday-and I think youd have a tuff time competing against any of the cattle in Iowa I showed on a commercial basis You dont have the foresight to think beyond your narrow cattle-so why should anyone waste anymore time making suggestions niether of you have any intention of doing anything but trying to belittle others who try and offer opinions that both of you asked for -Ive seen your cattle-Iowa has been in drauth for several years-it was 30 plus below  yesturday not including wind- THEY ARE JUST EXAMPLES of what the "KID" asked for-and until you come up with any concrete visual proof of YOUR cattle that you are basing as some kind of example to compare against these myriad examples I took the time to ad- and added in the naive and innocent expectations of trying to address a legitimate question then I would have to say start using Angus probably more kindred spirits than Shorthorn people anyway. but this thread was specifically about the 5 widest thickest Shorthorns any way-I think interms of example-you are making some pretty pompous broad statements about cattle that will overwhelm yours in that department INCLUDING BIRTHWTS (see bizare comment TONGUE AND CHEEK RE Kid)  O0

 

[RyanChandler]

The cattle I shared all have real world performance and are not really clubby in terms of what they actually do everyday-and I think youd have a tuff time competing against any of the cattle in Iowa I showed on a commercial basis You dont have the foresight to think beyond your narrow cattle-so why should anyone waste anymore time making suggestions niether of you have any intention of doing anything but trying to belittle others who try and offer opinions that both of you asked for -Ive seen your cattle-Iowa has been in drauth for several years-it was 30 plus below  yesturday not including wind- THEY ARE JUST EXAMPLES of what the "KID" asked for-and until you come up with any concrete visual proof of YOUR cattle that you are basing as some kind of example to compare against these myriad examples I took the time to ad- and added in the naive and innocent expectations of trying to address a legitimate question then I would have to say start using Angus probably more kindred spitits than Shorthorn people anyway. but this thread was specifically about Shorthorns (see bizare comment TONGUE AND CHEEK RE Kid)  O0

not "really" clubby.  LOL  whatever "really" means.  I can't speak for the OP but I just added that I was hoping there were some beef bull options.  I included a picture of an Angus bull as a REFERENCE to what I was speaking to/describing in terms of "thickness."  There's nothing bizarre about that.  And competing against "cattle in Iowa!?!" Get real! Where do you come up with this stuff- you bring those big fuzzy eared types down and see how they handle Texas in August. 

I hope you've seen the cattle you speak to more than you claim to have seen mine- as outside of a facebook post or two- I've never even seen you much less a time when you were around my cows. 

The OP's question was legitimate.  My question was legitimate.  Anyone is welcome to continue posting clubby options. Perhaps that what the OP was looking for?  I'm just not interested in them-- I'm interested in beef bulls-  hopefully some similar to the REFERENCE sire I posted are out there.  If you know of any, please chime in .
 

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I’m not really interested in clubby type stuff but if one is found to be useful in real world conditions then by all means post away. I was hoping to identify bulls either forgotten, underused or used wrongly that were wider based and put some ass on them. I’m not posting to set somebody up. I am just trying to identify bulls outside the box if you will. Maybe a four or five year old bull that’s really out produced himself. You’ve promoted lots of bulls on here Mark. Most have fizzled out for one reason or another.

This was just a thread about brainstorming. Not triggering somebody’s feelings.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Name the ones I have talked about that fizzeled and name the Shorthorn bulls you have been involved with that had ANY impact on the breed-hate to talk National or Louisville  champions Ive only been involved with 6 of those and bring your texas cattle up to southern kansas where my cows are in august-its hotter-no on second thought bring them now when its ten below zero-just dont get laughed out of the show ring-we do that on a national level along with weighing every calf and having real EPDS on the cattle-we have black crosses-heavens dont let friends cross breed or use cross bred bulls-we have friends across alot of breeds-we like farmers in general and grew up on a handshake-you clearly come from another generation. I suggest you take all the backtracking adjectives that you have just used to reinvent your thread in the last minute-and commit them to the algorthym down below-or basically state in your thread that you do not want anything but Angus and Native Shorthorn answers to your question or only those bloodlines specific to your interest and all others are unworthy of your consideration- O0

 

[kiblercattle]

A bull we used lightly but in hindsight we should have used more was gb daybreak express. He was a fairly easy calving bull that would really put some ass in them. Not the round clubby ass but one when you got behind them they stood with lots of width and top. He left some nice cows that stayed in good shape in our dry grass country.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Thank you kibler and I remember a few years ago you said something about him -he is still in use and was a very good bull-There is another LOW BW promotion bull by ALM Chiller out of a Daybreak cow due out in 2019 up in Wisconsin A lot of clubby breeders used him because he was an EZ calver-but he sure threw some good females and thick ones-had some Lincoln Red  back there in his dam-Ive posted on him before-Brockmueller was a really good guy and had thick no non sense cattle-something the pictures above us on this thread  are sadly missing at least the Shorthorns I see-the 2 Black ear cows are the only ones that arent bags of bones LOL

 

[wiseguy]

I think when you say top 5 power bulls in the breed this guy has to be in the discussion. Saskvalley Imperative 33X. Exceptional growth, WW and YW trait leader, and top 25% REA., He sires bulls that look like bulls, and females that look like cows. Out of 16 progeny in the ASA sire test he sired 2 primes, 13 choice, and 1 select. $136 BMI

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Name the ones I have talked about that fizzeled and name the Shorthorn bulls you have been involved with that had ANY impact on the breed-hate to talk National or Louisville  champions Ive only been involved with 6 of those and bring your texas cattle up to southern kansas where my cows are in august-its hotter-no on second thought bring them now when its ten below zero-just dont get laughed out of the show ring-we do that on a national level along with weighing every calf and having real EPDS on the cattle-we have black crosses-heavens dont let friends cross breed or use cross bred bulls-we have friends across alot of breeds-we like farmers in general and grew up on a handshake-you clearly come from another generation. I suggest you take all the backtracking adjectives that you have just used to reinvent your thread in the last minute-and commit them to the algorthym down below-or basically state in your thread that you do not want anything but Angus and Native Shorthorn answers to your question or only those bloodlines specific to your interest and all others are unworthy of your consideration- O0

Go home dude. You’re drunk. Funny I’ve never read once where you alone did anything. Seems to me you pay people to raise your cattle and clip your calves. Then you show up at the show like some kingpin. I tried to be nice earlier. I liked the Compton Fresh Air bull. Even sent his picture in a private group text. But since I didn’t kiss the ring on this public forum I’m now just being a punk. Ok. I don’t care if I ever raise a national champ show bull. I sure as hell won’t pay somebody to raise my cattle either. It’s bedn below zero here for two days. Cows here get fed every other day. They don’t get any special care. I can promise you it’s colder here in Ohio than Kansas!

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Very logical and directed comment-you dont have anything intelligent to say so you resort to childish babble like I said-different generation and like you said in the other thread "I have nothing to ad"-That all you got?go tweet on your I phone Junior  O0

 

[oakview]

Yet another example of why so many people have quit participating on SP, as if we needed another one.  A guy asks a simple question, several of us offered our opinions that we were asked for, and the thread turns into a pissing match.  It's no wonder it's hard to sell Shorthorns.  According to SP, there's not a good Shorthorn out there except the one "I" own.  Whatever "you" have is terrible.  Has there ever been a thread on SP trashing an Angus bull?  Hereford?  Simmental?  If people would spend more time promoting the absolutely incredible data from the latest MARC research instead of trashing each other, we'd be much better off.  Shorthorns were #1 in just about every performance and carcass trait compared to Angus, Red Angus, Hereford, Char., etc.  Would it be so difficult to get the word out on that instead of how terrible everybody else's cattle are and how stupid they are for raising them?

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I certainly didn’t want this result. I’ve been busy plowing snow and preparing to move. I also raise hogs and I may not raise national champions. I do raise hogs that chefs buy. Hogs have paid for my cows. I made my own pig. Just as I intend to make my own cows. Cattle just take forever.

I was hoping to just brainstorm. Not be talked down to by a racist old bitter man. I apologize for the drama. It wasn’t my intention. I agree with oak view on promoting the data. I don’t think there are bulls in existence yet for what I have in my mind. I had an idea for a pig and I made it. I took several different breeds. Line bred the good ones and made an excellent hog. 11 piglets per litter. Sows don’t need heat lamps or farrowing pens. They go out to the woods and farrow alone and return when they are ready. Fat hogs hit 275-300 at six months. Excellent carcass too. I had to make that hog. Just as I want to make a better shorthorn.

That was the whole reason for my post.

 

[oakview]

That's what this website should be for.  Getting useful information to help us reach the goals we want to reach.  More power to you.  I used to raise hogs, too.  We had a rotation of Hamps, Yorks, and Durocs.  Seemed to work pretty good with the long ago traits of each complimenting the other.  By the way, I don't have hogs any more and I don't miss them.  They can quickly turn a normal, sane human being into a raving lunatic.

Forgot to mention, I really like that Saskvalley Imperative bull.  We should be able to move a truckload of bulls like him.

 

[RyanChandler]

Yet another example of why so many people have quit participating on SP, as if we needed another one.  A guy asks a simple question, several of us offered our opinions that we were asked for, and the thread turns into a pissing match.  It's no wonder it's hard to sell Shorthorns.  According to SP, there's not a good Shorthorn out there except the one "I" own.  Whatever "you" have is terrible.  Has there ever been a thread on SP trashing an Angus bull?  Hereford?  Simmental?  If people would spend more time promoting the absolutely incredible data from the latest MARC research instead of trashing each other, we'd be much better off.  Shorthorns were #1 in just about every performance and carcass trait compared to Angus, Red Angus, Hereford, Char., etc.  Would it be so difficult to get the word out on that instead of how terrible everybody else's cattle are and how stupid they are for raising them?

I think it’s important to accurately describe the cattle being spoken about.    There are a lot of Shorthorn cattle that the breed would be better off if they were to have their head cut off tomorrow.  I mean a very large number who have a trait that,  regardless how good they are otherwise , should completely exclude them from consideration in any beef production dynamic.  Birth weights, mature cow size, lack of sexual dimorphism, etc.  So long as these types continue to be sugarcoated and not singled out, it will be challenging to ever solidify a publicly recognized distinction between these types and those you referenced that excelled in the Marc research.  It’s hard to sell Shorthorns because unfortunately these types that need their head cut off are the majority and are thus the public perception of what the breed as a whole has to offer.  It’s as unfortunate as it gets. 

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Terrible picture at badger 2 months ago-Is one was reserve to a full grown pud-shes full sib to the creole that won all over last year-second blue -NO SHE DOESNT NORMALLY STAND LIKE THAThad 2 full sib steers sell in Iowa-at a sale in November with other breeds for 6600-and 14000 The third Crimson tide is a really correct sound heifer to be that thick-AGAIN bad picture-again thats what this thread is about-the white heifer DUH is last-PS-she was sold to Inndiana to people that SHOW CATTLE AND WIN-(the androgenenous unthick cliches have me laughing really Ive been online and seen your cattle-if you arent looking for actual advice from real time cattle that exist on a basic farm-to make them "wider"- these cattle MILK-they arent skinny and hardoing they raise and wean heavy calves that are stout-that do not go to the sale barn-that people want to buy THEY ARE DIFFERENT IN TYPE NOW-LETS SEE YOURS) The white hiefer was sold for 14000-at 6 months-Who the f#%&()K cares about the price-his wife came down with cancer that was that. All 4 of these calves are from the same 3 year old cow pictured with her 1st daughter-at the Jr Nationals Optical illusion they are both the same size-OH SEE THE SHORTHORN STEER COUNTERPART BESIDE THEM? Hes part of the clan too-AND HE AINT NO PUD Hes an April there at the junior Nationals-is a full dib to the three year old cow So-theres a 3 year old cow-that has already produced 4 really good matings out of entirely different breeds of bulls and a very good first calf hirfer (her first calf) standing next to her-(Ive got other pictures that really show them but am not going to waste my time) I want to see the cattle you have produced that address this post-to the letter of the " kids" request since he doesnt want to answer anyone"s input Maybe its a ***** wussy game to draw some llrgit cattle on that arent like his so he can poo poo them in comparison to so called "performance cattle"-Ive seen alot of interesting cattle at Promised Land-and some of the shorthorn by fullbloods would really hit with performance bred cattle-so would his blue crosses- I think that the bull he had out of K KIM Gold Version: PLCC GOLDSTANDARD that was shown at the Montana big show was really good-being appendix out of a cool 20 20 Vision x range cow made him all the more cool to me-thats another example of the type that will change them in alot of ways-especially  when it comes to width from behind  and since his sire was a very good performance deal-hes yet another point you are missing-prove me wrong  with pictures of yours from behind Yes I realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder-and no animal is perfect but these cattle are NOTHING like yours so trying to equate them to that vision aint gonna stand on this thread-even if it is a petty game. And your observations dont mean sh*&&$T until you back them up with solid examples of your cattle that fit this thread(pop) O0

This is one of your more bizarre post I've ever seen.  If you'll go back and READ my initial post on this page, you'll see how strange and unwarranted most of your comments here are:

I’m with you in that I’d certainly like to add some thickness to my cowherd in general...

Equally bizarre is how you keep referring to the OP as a kid.  You must have also missed:

I’m glad you started this post.  When you asked me the other night, I was honestly stumped.

Do you really think I spend my evening talking to kids? The OP is a 40+ yr old man you're talking about. 

I'm not sure what it is "I'm to prove you wrong about?"  Again another bizarro comment.  Maybe the show steer type females address the OP's question but I find that, like I said previously, unfortunate, that these types are our only option??

Imagine if the question were about Angus bulls to add thickness-- Bulls that would come to my mind would be those like Ohlde's or one like Coleman Charlo. Bulls that are of the TYPE that cattleman still value. You know, bulls that look like male powerlifters as opposed to your go to: the butch dyke softball looking types.  But no -- not in Shorthorns.  In Shorthorns, if you want to thicken: as in develop more of a beef phenotype less dairy- you have the clubby show steer types and that's it? What a joke.  Surely this isn't so./// No it it is not-used Irish bulls like Guiness and Dividend-a fullblood Maine called Vistas Sentra-Enticerx Mark 4-Mad Max but he was pretty big-The bull you are looking for with that type of thickness does not exist in the breed with the kind of pedigrees you are using;and will not suddenly appear in theory or with absolute purity and years of perfect EPDS-The fresh air bull was not really clubby-and was over 2400 pounds mature-Your definition of clubby includes anything that isnt pedestrian conventional breeding limited to your type of  cattle  been there-dont need  to hear about it again You should stay inside the box and compound what you have and redefine width and thick to make em thick at least in your mind-Or the best thing to make them look like that Angus is use one like him,and create mongrels that are twice as stout as what you have now-he reminds me of the ones I see from Canada like cowboy or the soo line cattle and a possible type to use Re the thread about frail Angus heifers Or use a fullblood maine-they work great on dual looking cows-as long as they arent pencil gutted. Thats where Mark 4 and alot of the oldtime thick cows came from Before your time even though in the past you used some of the same blood-evena great grandson of Deertrail Awesome if Im not mistaken- O0

 

[SEA]

JASON,  THIS POST/THREAD HAS GOTTEN OUT OF HAND.  WOULD YOU PLEASE CONSIDER REMOVING IT?  THANK YOU!

 

[RyanChandler]

JASON,  THIS POST/THREAD HAS GOTTEN OUT OF HAND.  WOULD YOU PLEASE CONSIDER REMOVING IT?  THANK YOU!

Jason this is the third post SEA has made that lacked any relevancy whatsoever to the discussion at hand.  Please have a talk with her.

(Obviously this is a joke as I have no interest in censoring anyone else’s opinions) Unlike mother hen above.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Discussion? Relevent? SEA has a right to ad any opinion just like anyone else without condecending comments-XLAX Bitter? Racist? Drunk? What we really need is JITs take on this thread LOl O0