anyone ever feed MIX 30 liquid protein

[CM Livestock]

was just wondering if anyone had ever fed any and if you have what did you think of it

 

[Steer4Caddy]

It's cheap and I suppose that's good.  But at 60% water and a TDN level equal to what poor quality grass is, I would definitely buy a quality liquid supplement.  It will work but the intakes must be double what a quality supplement would be to deliver equal nutrition.  For instance, if it costs $190, you could spend $380 for Purina's Sup-R-Lix (which will cost no more than $330) and get the same nutrition and put it out half as often.  I've heard intaks on Mix 30 of 10-12 lbs. a day.  That's not cheap.

 

[CM Livestock]

there sure are alot of people that feed it and claim they only eat 1 or 2 lbs per day

 

[Show Heifer]

I knew someone that fed it, and SteerCaddy is right, the cows will eat 8-12 pounds a day even if they are on good hay.
Do yourself a favor and go buy a quality supplement for more money, and get a bigger bang for your buck.

 

[Cattledog]

I knew someone that fed it, and SteerCaddy is right, the cows will eat 8-12 pounds a day even if they are on good hay.
Do yourself a favor and go buy a quality supplement for more money, and get a bigger bang for your buck.

I feed this and they don't eat anywhere near 8-12 pounds a day.  We have calculated it out and they are eating about 2-3 lbs a day in the winter. I have no complaints with this feed. It is a  cheaper feed and I basically feed it for the added fat for energy in the winter.  It has more fat content than any of the sup-r-lix feeds.  Fat contains 2.25 times more energy than carbs so I thought that was attractive.  We have very high quality alfalfa hay and still have free choice mineral at all times.  If the consumption was as high for me as some have posted, I wouldn't feed this.  It really does surprise me that other herds have that much consumption.

 

[aj]

Do you need a supplement if you are feeding alfalfa hay?

 

[Cattledog]

Do you need a supplement if you are feeding alfalfa hay?

If you look at alot of the literature out there the answer is no.  However, I believe it depends on the TDN value of a person's hay.  Also, I have found that feeding this supplement helps with a number of things.  It helps me keep the condition of my cows when they calve, the calves wean off heavier, and last year I was 100% on AI.  The AI part is a little deceiving because I do feed the highest quality mineral(IMO) out there.  AJ, I put my cattle in the fake environment for the showring.  I give them every opportunity to succeed.  I don't need to creep feed and I still do.  I put as many inputs in my cattle as possible because it gives me an edge or just keeps me up with everyone else out there.

I'm not trying to sell Mix 30 to anyone, but it does have some nice qualities.  First it is affordable!  Second the protein is not Molasses or Urea based.  I have read that Molasses and Urea based protein breaks down too quickly to be completely utilized.  So some of the other liquid feeds that boast a really high molasses based protein percentage might not be giving you exactly what you are expecting.  Also, there is less NPN in mix 30 which gives it more true protein....I think.  It's been a while since my nutrition class in college, but I thought the formula was True protein = Crude Protein% - NPN%.  Please correct me if I'm wrong!  I already have a really good nutritional program so using this just made sense to me. 

 

[CM Livestock]

i have 225 cow s on stalks and they eat 1 ton every 4 to 5 days thats a 1.75 to 2.25 lbs per day thats acceptable i think at  $0.095 per lbs thats  about $0.19 oer day

 

[Cattledog]

i have 225 cow s on stalks and they eat 1 ton every 4 to 5 days thats a 1.75 to 2.25 lbs per day thats acceptable i think at  $0.095 per lbs thats  about $0.19 oer day

That's pretty close to how mine are consuming.  With this cold snap consumption may have gone up a little.  I don't blame them!

 

[simtal]

It's cheap and I suppose that's good.  But at 60% water and a TDN level equal to what poor quality grass is, I would definitely buy a quality liquid supplement.  It will work but the intakes must be double what a quality supplement would be to deliver equal nutrition.  For instance, if it costs $190, you could spend $380 for Purina's Sup-R-Lix (which will cost no more than $330) and get the same nutrition and put it out half as often.  I've heard intaks on Mix 30 of 10-12 lbs. a day.  That's not cheap.

you do make a good point, feeding protein as energy is expensive. This supplement should be used as it says--supplement. Mix 30 should not be the main source of nutrients in a cows diet.

 

[CM Livestock]

i agree it is called a supplement for a reason just like lick barrels or cake or anything else    it works for me and the breed back is wonderful  really gets them to cycling for AI

 

[mykidsluvshorthorns]

We have an excellent mineral program and we used mix 30 a couple of years ago had excellent heat cycles early after calving great conception rate from AI. Dumby me decided to cut some cost quit feeding Mix 30 its the only thing we changed cows didn't cycle after calving for 70 to 90 days after giving birth with mix 30 it was 45 to 60 days AI conception was 45% before it was 90% went back to Mix 30 and guess what all the numbers went back to what they was before and also cows average 2-3 pounds each per day. I noticed that when a cold front was coming they would never leave the tank but if we got a warm snap they hardly touched it

 

[aj]

I think it would interesting to see if the cattle that bred back without supplement would be a random sample or genetically different cattle. Possibly and possibly not. Should we try and select cattle by natural selection or again was it a random sample that didn't breed back

 

[braunvieh]

Where do you get Mix 30? Through a local co-op or from a dealer?

 

[Freddy]

I used it once about seven years ago an really liked it an I didn't have any trouble with consumption , but the first thing I did I quit my good chelate breeding mineral because of to much posphorus ,  boy things really looked good , some of the cows were about 45 days from being bred an started to come back in , so something was lacking, cause I had that trouble before I started using the chelate mineral , an so I quit it right there an got things changed back to the way it was ....

 

[CM Livestock]

Where do you get Mix 30? Through a local co-op or from a dealer?

there are a few dealers local and i sell a little my self i was just wondering what everyone else thought of the product i do feed minersl with it

 

[CAB]

CM Livestock could you put up a tag for Mix 30? I would like to see the analysis.

 

[CM Livestock]

yes i can if I can figure out how to do it

 

[Steer4Caddy]

Don't forget what the tag doesn't tell you.  It's  60% water.  It's only 16% protein.  And they reccomend you take the lid off your feeders so they can drink it.  Genius.  I've seen cows that were on good liquid and the next year changed to this.  They did OK but lost body condition and ate more supplement than before.  He won't do it again.  Sometimes the easiest thing to do is just find the cheapest thing per ton out there and then defend it to the end.  I see it all the time.  And if you are feeding Alfalfa hay you better not need supplement or you've got the wrong cows.

Dnix

 

[aj]

I was told in college 40,000 years ago that you can concoct a ration of used motor oil and chopped up tires with good protein levels, but its not much good cause its not digestable. interesting discussion. Talk to a feedlot nutritionist on the 30 product. I'll stay out of the discussion. ;D