Full Blood Maine Weekly Update

[knabe]

epl prospector 242p

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2435&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5821202E2E&8=56&10=373733353F37&11=20

barkhurst purchased him and a full sib when the canadian breeder dispersed.  the full sib showed up in a few pedigrees i was interested in in purebred maine's and one fullblood.  he obviously used 242 in shorthorns a few times.  barkhurst said the other one (242p) was better, so he collected him.  him and i should be the only one's with semen.

he is the closest animal i could find to vainqueur.  supposedly he was a calf champion at some show in canada.

border creek future was a moderate fullblood and threw it.

the semen is good as it was successful for a flush.

 

[doc-sun]

Here's a Fullblood used on shorthorns.

mark & i flushed my 8s cow to prospector and have a calf coming this fall and 6 frozen embryos left

 

[knabe]

prospector is the closest thing i could get to below bull.

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2458242525&9=525E5D27

his name is vainqueur.  most negative comments on vainqueur people say are he's too straight fronted and probably too heavy.  on the other hand, he is extremely masculine for a fullblood and he's got a good top and a whale of rear compared to many fullbloods.  harlan ritchie commented he was the best bull of any breed when he visited europe in the early 70's.  he was sent to slaughter at age probably 6 as they didn't keep bulls around too long. at the time, ritchie saw cunia's dam and sire and a few other bulls in pedigree's and made comments on them.  i've been trying to get more notes than i have.  Red gave me a copy of them a long time ago. i think he compares nicely with my two favorite shorthorn bulls, buster and leroy

he's the only fullblood that browarny could find in his catalog that he took when he was in france.  there's probably others, but he couldn't find any.  supposedly they are converting all the pictures to digital in super hi-res format.

basically i've been trying to collect semen that goes to vainqueur or his grandsire without etula.

i feel he is a source of thickness in maine's. they are not always the prettiest.  another thing, is that they seem to almost always have 6-8 of the original markers for feed efficiency.  fullbloods in general are almost fixed for T1, somewhat for T3 and T2 is rare, though i found that too.  in fact, i found all the original markers in fullbloods which probably doesn't matter.  i use them anyway to evaluate homo or hetero along with parentage markers.  frequently, the one's that are more hetero don't breed consistently after visiting with many old breeders and not telling them ahead of time.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

To me the Prospector bull looks a little narrower in the rear to have a heavy maine front. (in terms of being a maine,not a milking Shorthorn). But hes deep bodied and smooth made for a Maine,along with nut twist like alot of them have.I would be afraid that he wouldnt make them thick butted enough in terms of the BW trade-off. Youd have to breed him to a very level (pins-hooks) and square cow-EG-CLUBBY,and likely might not have as consistant looking calves to be a changer:youd sure need to watch the rear wheels and be there when they calved. . O0

 

[knabe]

Agree. I like his top line. The rest I know where to get.

 

[Telos]

The only way to really judge that Prospector bull is to look at the offspring. Apparantly Barkhurst thought a lot of this guy.

 

[knabe]

maine offspring.  not sure if there is overlap between offspring.  aaok had one.

http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=575811  he liked her but only got one calf out of her.

maine Offspring of EPL Prospector 240P:
172297
172329
172342
172348
R48783

maine Offspring of EPL Prospector 242P:
113770
113771
113840
115164
115165
115166
115476
118481
118482
118483
125796
126222
126223
126224
126227
126228
126231
126232
129466
138540
138545
138546
138547
138548
140175
141778
141779
141783
141784
141785
141789
141792
141795
141796
153922
153925
153926
153927
153928
153929
153931
153932
153938
153943
154128
154129
183496
98603
98604
98605
98606
98607
98813
98814
98815
98817

shorthorn offspring of 242p.  there were none of 240P

*AR26251 B22 D AND M B22 3/20/1992 F 3801527
*AR23560 A38 RABAR A38 3/17/1991 F sx3906022
*AR23547 1323Z D AND M 1323Z 4/8/1990 F 3788311
*AR20467 1308Z DANDM 1308Z 4/5/1990 F 3735567
*AR17890 190 D AND M PROSPECTOR190 3/27/1990 M 3801527
*AR20465 1329Z DANDM 1329Z 3/27/1990 F 3801525
*AR20466 1362Z DANDM 1362Z 3/2/1990 F 3859068
*AR23555 1263Y D AND M 1263Y 4/15/1989 F 3770500
*AR29870 1251Y D AND M 1251Y 4/6/1989 F 3735567
*sxAR23556 1267Y D AND M 1267Y 4/3/1989 F 3788315
*AR16014 176 HOT SHOT 3/29/1989 M 3691361
*AR16013 179 LUCKY SEVEN 3/28/1989 M 3735562
*AR16015 178 RED BOMBER 3/24/1989 M 3691360
*AR16016 177 PISTOL PETE 3/23/1989 M 3788310
*AR16012 182 RED ROLLER 3/22/1989 M 3735566
*xAR16409 1275 D AND M 1275 3/22/1989 F 3801527
*AR23554 1255Y D AND M 1255Y 3/22/1989 F 3716411
*AR23557 1274Y D AND M 1274Y 3/19/1989 F 3801531
*AR16105 202X EPL IMPROVER 202X 5/10/1988 F x3698462
*sxAR23551 1163X RABAR 1163X 5/8/1988 F 3788313
*AR25354 DBH307X PP BRIGHT STAR 5/8/1988 F 3770500
*AR23550 1160X D AND M 1160X 5/6/1988 F 3691364
*AR16107 203X EPL IMPROVER 203X 4/3/1988 F 3735562
*AR23541 1184X D AND M 1184X 4/3/1988 F 3691361
*AR14737 167 DIVIDEND PROSPECTOR 2 3/29/1988 M 3735563
*AR16106 201X EPL IMPROVER 201X 3/28/1988 F x3698463
*AR23552 1183X D AND M 1183X 3/22/1988 F *AR14962
*AR23553 1190X D AND M 1190X 3/18/1988 F 3788312
*AR14736 166 DIVIDEND PROSPECTOR 3/12/1988 M 3735561
*AR16104 200X EPL ROANY 200X 3/5/1988 F x3699303
*AR23543 1108V D AND M 1108V 4/6/1987 F x3698463
*AR20387 DB9 D AND M PROSPECTOR 9 3/25/1987 M 3735561
*AR23548 1126V D AND M 1126V 3/11/1987 F 3735562
*AR23549 1134V D AND M 1134V 3/9/1987 F 3735563
MA113770 MISS LUCY

 

[knabe]

more old bulls

 

[oakview]

It seems as if I remember a warning in a semen catalog that Crack should be used on mature females only.  An old time Maine breeder from Indiana had some Crack semen and was encouraged to dump it due to calving issues.  I had good luck with my Dollar IIs.  Only had 1 Capone calf, he was okay.  Had a few other straws but my tank went bad about a year and a half ago. 

 

[knabe]

It seems as if I remember a warning in a semen catalog that Crack should be used on mature females only.  An old time Maine breeder from Indiana had some Crack semen and was encouraged to dump it due to calving issues.  I had good luck with my Dollar IIs.  Only had 1 Capone calf, he was okay.  Had a few other straws but my tank went bad about a year and a half ago.

yup. still, i'm collecting some of this old stuff so it can get on chips.

 

[Telos]

Dollar II was known for throwing some of the best calves. Still a bunch of potential, IMO. He and Darco along with some others would be my pick if I were to go back and use some of those old boys.

Capone was a double muscle carrier and a bit risky for that reason.

 

[knabe]

Defects don't bother me if there's a test and there is for dm. It's more important to get the semen used to collect new stuff.

 

[knabe]

Telos, can you list all the dm carriers you know that are Fullbloods?

 

[oakview]

I had heard Dollar II was a carrier of the double muscling gene.

 

[knabe]

http://aggieabroad.blogspot.com/2011/06/maine-anjou-cattle-farm.html

 

[knabe]

here's a belgium site.

picture loading is realllllly slow.

http://www.maine-anjou.be

 

[knabe]

http://www.cia-crespelle.com/catalogue-taureaux-rouge-des-pres.php

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Hey Knabe-what happened to those French cattle?-at least the bulls-Those backlegs on the AI bulls look crazy-those cattle look like they've fallen apart compared to the older pics-and certainly compared to the later fullbloods being posted on here.Id sure like to see a pic of Dollar the 2nd-Deertrail had a really good cow called Dollars Alice-who created the Countess family. O0

 

[knabe]

look at the previous link.

for france, there are 3 decent bulls.  the one with the most white, Savoyard, i like the most.

Beethoven and Mascotte are ok.  these three are probably the most normal fullbloods in france i've seen in a while.

 

[knabe]

click on the text link below the video

Race Rouge des Prés on Vimeo

they obviously aren't the greatest showmen.

sort of interesting so many people in the ring.