knabe
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Is it a v8 bull?
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This is tough...it was too soon for the ayatollahs (and he doesn't look it)... he doesnt look irish and appears to be smooth polled...he may be from the aussie lines, but he seems to have a similar look to the Four Point Major bull...I really dont have a clue but I'm going to guess Winalot CaptainOkotoks said:
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You got it, Winalot Captain 64N by Scotsmorr Big Red 14H. (64N is a grandson of Four Point Major)Here is a photo of one of his daughters (quality of photo is poor as taken from a publication) Captain was one of the herd sires at Gussie and Faye Adam's GAFA herd.GM said:
http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=453630&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21
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justintime
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Thanks for posting the picture of Winalot Captain. I don't remember ever seeing a picture of him before, but when I was scrolling down this thread and saw the picture you posted, I immedialtely thought it might be Scotsmorr Big Red. When I scrolled down and saw it was Captain, I was impressed by how much he looked like his sire. If you can believe this, many breeders liked the Big Red bull at the time of the Scotsmorr dispersal but criticized him for being too small framed. His pedigree was pretty packed with some of the greatest sires in the early years of development of polled Shorthorns.
As a side note it will be 35 years next fall since the dispersal of the Scotsmorr herd, and the genetics from this herd can still be found throughout the breed and around the world. Doug Morris, who owned Scotsmorr, passed away in July 2012. I was very pleased to have a great visit with Doug and Barb Morris, at the 2012 Saskvalley/ Bell M/ Muridale bull sale last spring. For many years, Doug along with myself and a couple other Shorthorn breeders from Saskatchewan travelled to some spring sales in the US in late March. It almost became an annual pilgrimage as we attended many sales and toured many herds. I will always remember Doug's reaction when he saw Deerpark Dividend for the first time. At the time, the Irish cattle had just been rejected for registration by the ASA for the second time. Doug insisted that we try to buy Dividend even if he never was able to register any offspring from him. He felt he was the best bull he had ever seen. Dick Judy, Beef Genetics Research Inc, in Kansas owned Dividend at the time, and he priced him at $35,000 to us ( this was almost 40 years ago now). I remember that we spent several days on the trip home discussing whether we should buy him or not... and we came very close to buying him, but in the end decided we could bring a few more from Ireland for the same amount of money. Great memories!
As a side note it will be 35 years next fall since the dispersal of the Scotsmorr herd, and the genetics from this herd can still be found throughout the breed and around the world. Doug Morris, who owned Scotsmorr, passed away in July 2012. I was very pleased to have a great visit with Doug and Barb Morris, at the 2012 Saskvalley/ Bell M/ Muridale bull sale last spring. For many years, Doug along with myself and a couple other Shorthorn breeders from Saskatchewan travelled to some spring sales in the US in late March. It almost became an annual pilgrimage as we attended many sales and toured many herds. I will always remember Doug's reaction when he saw Deerpark Dividend for the first time. At the time, the Irish cattle had just been rejected for registration by the ASA for the second time. Doug insisted that we try to buy Dividend even if he never was able to register any offspring from him. He felt he was the best bull he had ever seen. Dick Judy, Beef Genetics Research Inc, in Kansas owned Dividend at the time, and he priced him at $35,000 to us ( this was almost 40 years ago now). I remember that we spent several days on the trip home discussing whether we should buy him or not... and we came very close to buying him, but in the end decided we could bring a few more from Ireland for the same amount of money. Great memories!
Okotoks said:
Thanks for posting this pic! I really like this type of Shorthorn. I imagine he had to be easier calving and easier doing than the ayatollah's, Clark's, maine's, and chi's that were about to take over as the popular Shorthorn genetics....but he probably couldn't hold a candle to them in the race for performance during that era. Thanks for the stroll down memory lane. I appreciate any history lessons you and JIT can give.
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GM how did you come up with the right answer?
coyote said:
I'm a shorthorn nerd. It was more process of elimination. I thought he was one of the old school Canadian bulls but when it wasn't who i originally thought i looked at Okotoks past herd sires on his website and saw he had a solid red bull named GAFA captain mcbest (he looked right and the name sounded like a good mix of Alberta shorthorn genetics) That bulls great grand sire on the dams side was Winalot Captain who was solid red and born in 1981...and I assumed he was born in Alberta . <beer>
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knabe said:
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general jackson
http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=32716
he's mostly unrelated.
btw, i have semen on general jackson
http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=32716
he's mostly unrelated.
btw, i have semen on general jackson
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Mueller said I should use him on Shorthorns I had there-WHAT did General Jackson look like?-I heard he was red-and real clubby for those days O0knabe said:
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Dont have a pic unfortunately.
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justintime said:
JIT, quite a long sausage of a bull isn't he? Is he a Maine Anjou?
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Was this one of your bulls JIT ? I was wondering if it was Millvale Mike's Cujo 2794, I know he was long but not sure if he had the hip of this bull.
justintime
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No it isn't Millvale Mike's Cujo 2794. A hint would be he was purchased by an Ontario breeder privately out of the stall at Agribition as a calf. No I did not breed him. I had teh Australian semen rights in him sold but the owner did not want to be bothered with collecting semen. He is a purebred non asterisk Shorthorn bull.
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justintime said:
weird how people go through the motions of buying stuff but won't pull the trigger. why buy the semen rights if you don't plan on collecting him? the person you bought the rights from may not have had them quarantined/tested for export so it's kind of obvious one would have to do that. perhaps work with the seller to defray costs as some export requirements are similar.
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knabe said:
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mark tenenbaum said:
remember, he's a son. the sire was born 73, and he's a fullblood maine (75%shorthorn), as is the son (thus no galloway, "for the hair").
he's not mine, but i think he's very nice. he should be able to be seen in person with lot's of hair shortly,
he's in irish whiskey. i'll keep going back a bull at a time
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knabe said:
Knabe... it was the other way around. I got a price from the bull owner for the Aussie rights as I was looking for a dark red outcross bull for an Aussie breeder. In the end, the bull owner decided that it would be too much bother to collect semen from the bull so he decided not to sell the rights to Australia or anywhere else for that matter. The Aussie breeder was pretty interested in him, but I had to tell him the rights were no longer for sale.
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Would he be a Glenford bull?
