Northern Shorthorns Herd Bull

[OH Breeder]

I think this was decent discussion. I was trying to make the point that the seedstock industry is not a Camelot. Jammie has played the victim card. The poor little rich girl card. No way to win the upcoming assault. No one can beat her daddies record of selling herd bulls. So she cannot lose a debate I guess. I put 6 bulls into commercial herds last year. Durham reds. Just sold two site unseen to a neighbor. I have not purchased a female in 20 years. It is a closed herd. My herd sires were 2 full brothers and their daddy this summer. I am thinking I'll take two pens of 5 to the yards next year with a possible small production sale next year. Like always I got my butt kicked on here again. I just think that sometimes the kids in the youth projects never hear the production sied of the story. They don't realize that cattle are made to eat forage and not show fed out of a bag. I stand"put in my place" and will not bother the Camelot way of thinking for at least a couple hours. Long live show cattle. I would think Jamie may be a candidate for ceo for the American Shorthorn Assn (Please make it down the road 10 years). signed the loyal opposition.

I usually don't like to comment on any of this stuff. BUT....... AJ you have followed every post Jaime and family have put on here and made comments on everyone of them. Some of them snide and condescending. She wasn't the one initially asking questions. The thread as usual has gone completely off the beating path. Victim.... really re-read what you just posted.

I find what you-AJ do with the Durham Reds interesting. I truly think you have a practical approach to your program. I would like to see more of your herd and breeding program why not post pictures. that is one of the reasons I come to this site- I can see other peoples stuff real world. For years I have wanted to take a stab at Shorty x Red Angus cross. It all seem so complicated with the ASA. I think you have alot to offer but...it some how gets twisted though when it goes from your brain to this board.

 

[kfacres]

I think this was decent discussion. I was trying to make the point that the seedstock industry is not a Camelot. Jammie has played the victim card. The poor little rich girl card. No way to win the upcoming assault. No one can beat her daddies record of selling herd bulls. So she cannot lose a debate I guess. I put 6 bulls into commercial herds last year. Durham reds. Just sold two site unseen to a neighbor. I have not purchased a female in 20 years. It is a closed herd. My herd sires were 2 full brothers and their daddy this summer. I am thinking I'll take two pens of 5 to the yards next year with a possible small production sale next year. Like always I got my butt kicked on here again. I just think that sometimes the kids in the youth projects never hear the production sied of the story. They don't realize that cattle are made to eat forage and not show fed out of a bag. I stand"put in my place" and will not bother the Camelot way of thinking for at least a couple hours. Long live show cattle. I would think Jamie may be a candidate for ceo for the American Shorthorn Assn (Please make it down the road 10 years). signed the loyal opposition.

I can't speak for AJ- but I can formyself and one other shorthorn breeder..  The Durham red deal to me- works wonders as calving ease option for the heifers.. I cannot complain about any of our Shorthorn/ RA calves.. I know of one other shorthorn operation who follows by this, and to be honest- they've fallen for the RA breed-- almost so much I wonder if they have any shorthorns left...  Wish I would have purchased their last remaing ones...
I usually don't like to comment on any of this stuff. BUT....... AJ you have followed every post Jaime and family have put on here and made comments on everyone of them. Some of them snide and condescending. She wasn't the one initially asking questions. The thread as usual has gone completely off the beating path. Victim.... really re-read what you just posted.

I find what you-AJ do with the Durham Reds interesting. I truly think you have a practical approach to your program. I would like to see more of your herd and breeding program why not post pictures. that is one of the reasons I come to this site- I can see other peoples stuff real world. For years I have wanted to take a stab at Shorty x Red Angus cross. It all seem so complicated with the ASA. I think you have alot to offer but...it some how gets twisted though when it goes from your brain to this board.

 

[rarebirdz]

I like the Duram red concept but not for herdsires f1 females make sense f1 bulls bred to f1 or f2 cows gives a lot of possibility of inconsistancy. With that said pure cows bred to f1 bull would be dynomite. I will have calves from some not pure bulls myself on my high angus influence cows so I might be eating crow this spring

 

[OH Breeder]

I like the Duram red concept but not for herdsires f1 females make sense f1 bulls bred to f1 or f2 cows gives a lot of possibility of inconsistancy. With that said pure cows bred to f1 bull would be dynomite. I will have calves from some not pure bulls myself on my high angus influence cows so I might be eating crow this spring

I don't like it when they get too "orange". I know that is picky but I like that cherry red. Does the orange get more prominent as you breed more RA in the shorty or less? Like the color matters on the hook?
I would think the RA could add a ton of calving ease to the shorties.and for the hard doing female some fleshing ability.  I am sure their are RA lines that are harder doing as well.

I am gonna have to just take the chance.

 

[rarebirdz]

Actually wouldnt know we have a black base almost no red the only reason durham pops to mind is the complete bull would love some daughters by him. I will have some shortie x blacks next year hoping for some docile momma cows

 

[kfacres]

I like the Duram red concept but not for herdsires f1 females make sense f1 bulls bred to f1 or f2 cows gives a lot of possibility of inconsistancy. With that said pure cows bred to f1 bull would be dynomite. I will have calves from some not pure bulls myself on my high angus influence cows so I might be eating crow this spring

I don't like it when they get too "orange". I know that is picky but I like that cherry red. Does the orange get more prominent as you breed more RA in the shorty or less? Like the color matters on the hook?
I would think the RA could add a ton of calving ease to the shorties.and for the hard doing female some fleshing ability.  I am sure their are RA lines that are harder doing as well.

I am gonna have to just take the chance.

We've gotten everything from oranges to cherry reds.. and even roans (calf in my avatar)- to blacks out of blacker cows.  Ours were all half siblings though- sired by the same RA bull-- and for the most part over half of their mother's were also half siblings...

I like them for the two main reasons you spoke of..  If you get down to it, and really study the RA breed- you'll notice there are some tremendous beasts in that breed-- and as a whole the breed hasnt' followed most of the popular showring based trends of the years.  They've always just sat back and made good cattle-- it's showing now, as the popularity of that breed's color-- is really SKYROCKETING!

to me, I suggest starting out by breeding your heifers RA, and going from there-- unless you really find an un heifer happy bull and try him on a few cows.

 

[turning grass into beef]

Jamie,
You said that Northern runs a herford herd as well? Are they horned or polled? Do they do any cross breeding with the herford and shorthorn and if they do, how do they look? Is it a good cross? I hear a lot about people liking the crossbreds as replacement heifers but I haven't actually seen a whole lot of them around.

 

[turning grass into beef]

Jamie,
You said that Northern runs a herford herd as well? Are they horned or polled? Do they do any cross breeding with the herford and shorthorn and if they do, how do they look? Is it a good cross? I hear a lot about people liking the crossbreds as replacement heifers but I haven't actually seen a whole lot of them around.

Vanridge; Here are a few pictures of some hereford/shorthorn cross yearling heifers pictured at 19 months of age. (same as my last post)

 

[turning grass into beef]

Jamie,
You said that Northern runs a herford herd as well? Are they horned or polled? Do they do any cross breeding with the herford and shorthorn and if they do, how do they look? Is it a good cross? I hear a lot about people liking the crossbreds as replacement heifers but I haven't actually seen a whole lot of them around.

here are a couple more and a link to a video as well
http://www.youtube.com/user/Saskvalleyshorthorns?blend=1&ob=video-mustangbase

 

[kfacres]

and what will you mate these F1 red baldy heifers/ cows to?  Black Continental influenced bulls for hybrid vigor? 

 

[turning grass into beef]

We won't mate them to anything.  We sold them a few days ago.

 

[kfacres]

We won't mate them to anything.  We sold them a few days ago.

market or breeding stock?  What will they get mated to if sold as breeding stock?

 

[turning grass into beef]

Breeding stock.  They are bred shorthorn to start calving late April.

 

[vanridge]

Jamie,
You said that Northern runs a herford herd as well? Are they horned or polled? Do they do any cross breeding with the herford and shorthorn and if they do, how do they look? Is it a good cross? I hear a lot about people liking the crossbreds as replacement heifers but I haven't actually seen a whole lot of them around.

Vanridge; Here are a few pictures of some hereford/shorthorn cross yearling heifers pictured at 19 months of age. (same as my last post)

Thanks! They look similar to the couple that we have and that our brother has although I think these may be a bit better quality. Our heifer calved last year to a black angus bull, and did a really good job on her heifer calf.

 

[rarebirdz]

Nice breds beef cows no doubt

 

[frostback]

I have not purchased a female in 20 years. It is a closed herd. My herd sires were 2 full brothers and their daddy this summer.

HUH. You AI to red angus bulls. How is that a closed herd? That also means that only your breeding is the culprit to your deformed calf? You did tell your neighbour about that, right?

 

[Doc]

I have not purchased a female in 20 years. It is a closed herd. My herd sires were 2 full brothers and their daddy this summer.

HUH. You AI to red angus bulls. How is that a closed herd? That also means that only your breeding is the culprit to your deformed calf? You did tell your neighbour about that, right?

Inquiring minds want to know!!!! (clapping)

 

[aj]

I guess it aint a closed herd then. From a breeding disease standpoint it kinda is. Where did you get definition for closed herd at? If it only takes one to tango on the defect calf my herd is clean cause the one calf was ai'd sired. If it takes 2 and the pedigrees are accuarate I should have minimal herd carriers cause the only way I can match pedigrees up is Improver through a heifer I purchased in a group of 25 around 20 years ago.knock on wood. I could in theory have roughly 7.

 

[aj]

I heard third hand there was a case of trich in Rawlin county Kansas.

 

[linnettejane]

im confused