Pedigree-O-philes start your engines - the hunt continues

[DL]

Precisely!  I mentioned to Telos that maybe 84E being clean gave us a feel good when really he was clean in the same way Intense Plus was...clean to a dirty flushmate.  This is quite the CSI and enough to drive any investigator batty...but I guess that's what it's like when one doesn't have all the clues at hand.  Maybe what bothers me the most is knowing that the French Association and breeders have all the pedigrees and maybe ampules that we need to help come to a conclusion.

What I do know is that with our latest insight that 224X(among others) is a reported to be a carrier(since two progeny are carriers and their sires are not) point the fingers at two animals, Bar UJ Allen and Midas.  It seems that many have assumed that "the King of Blacks" is assumed to be clean...I guess there's only one way to find out.

I too think we need to look at semen available on bulls tracing to Turquino and Univers.  If any of you out there come across old semen, call first to see if the sire has in fact NOT been tested.  Obviously, some animals that have been tested are not on the PHA C/F list.  For one, these cows...which aren't a real big deal, but sort of, should be on the PHAF list Miss Big Sky 701G, Miss Big Sky 718G and MROA Miss Morris 220M.

YUP, you guys are right on it in my mind....tonight (under cover of darkness) I will be removing that little tiny drop of semen from every single straw of the King of the Blacks that I have ever used and tastefully placing it in an eppendorf screw top and shipping it off along with other goodies ...hopefully they will be able to extract enough DNA from it - no one I know wants to donate a whole straw .......Is the 224X cow still alive?? Would they be willing to send her DNA to Dr B?? .

 

[red]

Ok, typical Red question! You have to have the DNA from the cow, right? So we can't ever test these long dead dams? it's not like bull's whose semen you can use & some is still around, although dear.
wow, to bad somebody didn't keep DNA or bloodwork on these old dams. Might be a lesson for other breeds to have a library of blood work.

Red

 

[DL]

Ok, typical Red question! You have to have the DNA from the cow, right? So we can't ever test these long dead dams? it's not like bull's whose semen you can use & some is still around, although dear.
wow, to bad somebody didn't keep DNA or bloodwork on these old dams. Might be a lesson for other breeds to have a library of blood work.

Red

Yes and no - the current donors ie 224X must (in theory) have DNA on file - somewhere some place on a shelf long long ago - the long dead cows are probably also long gone -
You are not the first person to suggest a genetic library ----- wonder why they don't go for it...

 

[Jill]

I don't know exactly when they stopped, but up until just a couple of years ago you also had to DNA test every embryo calf born, shouldn't that information be available somewhere?

 

[DL]

In theory someone someplace has the DNA - I have no idea what the legal, moral, ethical etc ramifications are in terms of requesting it for testing (if you aren't the owner) ...perhaps another sticky wicket...

 

[Gypsy]

Last I heard (maybe a year ago?) 224X was still alive.  But she is OLD.  But if you are counting the second offspring on the PHA carrier list as Oakridge Ms. Black Ruby she was moved off the carrier list and onto the free list.

 

[DL]

Last I heard (maybe a year ago?) 224X was still alive.  But she is OLD.  But if you are counting the second offspring on the PHA carrier list as Oakridge Ms. Black Ruby she was moved off the carrier list and onto the free list.

Yeah but she is also the paternal grand dam of RSCC Roots 100P who is PHAC...run out in the field and grab some tail hair - she can't be that quick!

 

[genes]

Well get out the cat suit and get out there then DL....or the drunk city teenager costume so you can claim you are cow tipping  (lol)

 

[Gypsy]

If 224X is still alive she is a long, long distance from me.  Perhaps I can flag a UFO down and have them make a quick trip back east?  ;D  Or maybe somebody knows Mr. Salton and could just ask?  Naw - lots more fun to flag a ship, I'll get my flashlight.

 

[OH Breeder]

Last I heard (maybe a year ago?) 224X was still alive.  But she is OLD.  But if you are counting the second offspring on the PHA carrier list as Oakridge Ms. Black Ruby she was moved off the carrier list and onto the free list.

Yeah but she is also the paternal grand dam of RSCC Roots 100P who is PHAC...run out in the field and grab some tail hair - she can't be that quick!

Its late, I reading to make my self tired. And then....I read this. That is too funny. I am thinking of DL in a cat suit, flash light in hand with a hand pair of tweezers or hemastats pulling tail hair. Poor old cow wondering what the hell bit her. (lol)

 

[red]

I would have thought if she was alive, Russ would have checked her. Plus wouldn't her DNA be on file as a donor cow? Can they use that?

Red