knabe
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Personally I would rather work with the defect bulls rather than a bull that was great but had terrible udders or didn't milk or broke behind their shoulders Lot less problems.
DL said:Here is another picture of a Shortie calf with the distal limb defect -you can see the deformity even though the calf is bandaged
The abnormality in the x ray above (a'sj calf) is officially described by a veterinary radiologist as "congenital malformation of the distal cannon bone with subluxation of the Cannon-P1" - that is the scientific description of what I described
Hey thank you for posting tha t picture. You didnt have to "go public" I am learning from this so thank you.aj said:In theory.......I repeat in theory.....if the old improver bull was a problem.....I wonder. The goofy back legs would be deformed along with the tha deformed back legs. This would be confusing as reports from the country came in. Could this defect been seen before and been confused with the th defect. Again this is a theory. Improver may be clean.
sue said:DL said:Here is another picture of a Shortie calf with the distal limb defect -you can see the deformity even though the calf is bandaged
The abnormality in the x ray above (a'sj calf) is officially described by a veterinary radiologist as "congenital malformation of the distal cannon bone with subluxation of the Cannon-P1" - that is the scientific description of what I described
Ok . The bandaged legs did not cur e this calf .. right? I realize some of the nip and tuck deal goes on with navels and briskets in the high steer and hfr deal... but did this calf get better when the bandages came off?
aj said:How does the spastic paresis deal work? Does it take both parents to be carriers? If.....if the distal limb deal takes two to tango. You could have an actual defect calf that intheory could breed cows natuarally or by semen. This would be different than th where the defect calves never matured to breed cows. I know people on here have joked they wished they could semen out of an actual th defect calf cause he would be twice as likely to sire a th carrier(for the th look). There was really no variaion of th defective was there? Always a hernia....always the calf can't stand?
aj said:In theory.......I repeat in theory.....if the old improver bull was a problem.....I wonder. The goofy back legs would be deformed along with the tha deformed back legs. This would be confusing as reports from the country came in. Could this defect been seen before and been confused with the th defect. Again this is a theory. Improver may be clean.
frostback said:If I had one it did not have a hernia. Its hair was normal. It was not a bull or hiefer, no testicles and only a anus. It did have a hole on its head also but not as severe as yours JIT. Its back legs were not normal but not severely twisted either. It was alive but we never tried to get it up and put it down asap when I saw its head.
NHR said:DL, those photos bring back very bad days. Had too many of those born here. Almost drove me out of the Shorthorn business...
knabe said:could you not start with cunia and black gold? though obviously there are no direct samples, they generated the original nazi walkers. gold dust would be a good one to have. i don't have any of that, though i should.
probably some people have black gold left. i do, but i'm going to save it for two cows, hopefully 3, and will reserve some genotyping,even though i've been told he's chi in him and he's very navely.
sue said:Let's review: You can submit a sample without a Breed Association knowing ? Right. . later the info is released ... upon your agreement??
sue said:Let's review: You can submit a sample without a Breed Association knowing ? Right. . later the info is released ... upon your agreement??