Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.

[mark tenenbaum]

Thanks you can see in her top she was really wide-just sideways -at leat the thread no longer is lol O0

 

[mbigelow]

Mark I did have some calves by diamond cutter they were good. The second super sport was the one I was thinking of. Ss super sport by mb steetmaker.
The issue I have had with the 119N cattle is poor teat shape.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Finally found a picture of Irish Magic-His sire :Irish sweepstakes was a solid Red Dividend son-so there was some magic-or should we say Maine in there-a 99% guess would be an Epinal-sired cow O0

 

[knabe]

How did they get all that hair on his lower quarter.

Almost looks fake.

Nice looking bull.

 

[aj]

Does thickness=cutability? Does it mean an increase in high price cuts? Should a maternal breed chase thickness? good discussion.

 

[Dale]

We have a couple yearling females sired by JR Legacy 23G.  One of his owners described him as having the "right kind of thickness."  Yes, I like them thick, but any trait taken to extreme may have unintended consequences. 

 

[Boreal]

Agreed. I think this fella’s got the right kind of thickness to accompany his maternally backed pedigree

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Does thickness=cutability? Does it mean an increase in high price cuts? Should a maternal breed chase thickness? good discussion.

Thickness means more retail product. Majority of beef is sold as burger. We supply one restaurant with burger and they will use 75-125 pounds a week.

Thickness doesn’t necessarily mean better cutability. Shorthorns are already the most tender breed. Outside of birthweight I see way too many thinner type cows. If I want something really extreme I’d use a Limmy bull. I’m looking for the happy medium.

The first hog I butchered weighed 260 and yielded 15 pounds of bacon. I found that ridiculous. So I made a longer pig. Fat hogs now avg around 17 pounds of belly per side.

The goal in my mind isn’t anything extreme. It’s just more in a similar/ stouter package.

 

[knabe]

Reference on shorthorns being the most tender breed.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Reference on shorthorns being the most tender breed.

It was MARC data that I was talking about. The shear force test. I’ll see if I can find it this evening.

 

[Hopster1000]

Reference on shorthorns being the most tender breed.

I got this December 2014 quote from a Farmers Weekly article.

"The US Department of Agriculture’s Meat Animal Research Center (MARC) ranks the Beef Shorthorn as one of the best performers in the world in terms of calving ease, average daily gain, marbling and carcass quality.
Research at MARC has shown the Shorthorn to achieve the best 200-day weight of any English breed. It’s combination of marbling and cutability is extremely rare and evidence of exceptional carcass quality.
The Beef Shorthorn carries two copies of the GeneSTAR tenderness gene, meaning its meat is tender 97% of the time, compared to 78% in the Angus and 70% in the Hereford."

Cannot find the source for the original data however.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Really good search on the endangered breeds those Lincoln Reds are still probably the stoutest original endangered cattle around.In 1991 I did see a herd of blue grey cows in Devon but we couldnt really get any good pictures. We stayed with my then fiances girls school best friend and they had a herd of solid red polled cattle-that are surely extinct-I dont even remember what they called-maybe red galloways ot polled Devons-they didnt have much hair and were not made like dual purpose cattle. As for the MARC deal:thats a very good synopsis-I havent had time to go over the sire group involved-Would Maybe someone could list a few?-I am going to guess that the Gold-(Back to Goldwalk and or other Enticer relatives) and in general the Waukaru  bulls played a part.  O0

 

[mark tenenbaum]

How did they get all that hair on his lower quarter. //// Well he was from Canada-dont tell XLAX Jit had anything to do with him LOL O0

Almost looks fake.

Nice looking bull.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

We have a couple yearling females sired by JR Legacy 23G.  One of his owners described him as having the "right kind of thickness."  Yes, I like them thick, but any trait taken to extreme may have unintended consequences. //// I agree entirely-If the balance swings too far the other way -EG embarrassingly narrow made dairy looking cattle, it tales one a little more extreme to start the change or just get rid of them O0

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Reference on shorthorns being the most tender breed.

https://www.farmersweekly.co.za/animals/cattle/the-beef-shorthorn-a-breed-to-be-reckoned-with/


https://genetics.zoetis.com/canada/_locale-assets/documents/genestar_mvp_techsummary_na_nov2012.pdf

 

[knabe]

That is very old data and no longer accepted.

Lots of cattle from different breeds that are homo for all 3 markers including fullblood maines.

Fullblood maines and prob high % purebreds are probably fixed for T1

T2 is not common in most breeds.

Epl prospector 242p is homo for t1 and t2.

He is the sire of two fullblood calves at this past naile show.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Fair enough. Can you show me the most recent data ?

 

[aj]

So.......is it correct that the Shorthorns have two copies of the Genestar gene?  Seems like to me that that would encourage some direct marketing..........or give one the confidence to do so.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Howzabowt showing the bottom line results for the Marc study-Maybe which shorthorn sires in the deal  brought home the bacon O0

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Howzabowt showing the bottom line results for the Marc study-Maybe which shorthorn sires in the deal  brought home the bacon O0

I looked but couldn’t find the breed by breed results. Hopefully somebody can point that out for us.