I give in--- to all shorthorn people--

[thunderdownunder]

Here are a couple of photos of Moombi Powerplay.  But if BS knew everyone that had some involvment with the bull he would probably lose all interest.

Thanks vcsf, I knew someone would have them!  <beer>

TDU would you have a picture of WYARAMA VICAR or WYARAMA PEPPER ?

I'm in the process of tracking them down for my personal records. My mate's dad and grandpa bred both bulls so he's seeing what he can scrounge up  ;D Wyarama have used some Vicar and Pepper semen the last couple of years and they've got some great calves out of both bulls.

 

[kfacres]

TDU>> we humans usuallly have a different name for the word "mate", when it's involved... (lol) (pop)

 

[thunderdownunder]

TDU>> we humans usuallly have a different name for the word "mate", when it's involved... (lol) (pop)

You mean North Americans do. Here Down Under - where, just for the record, everyone agrees it's much more fun  - we call everybody mate  (thumbsup)

 

[Doc]

hey TDU??  what can you enlighten us about moombie powerplay?  or the other AU bull that has slipped my thoughts at this particular time frame that I see in quite a few pedigrees...  Not Venture...

What do you want to know about Powerplay? Your description of the other Aussie bull doesn't help me... I was thinking either Super Dazzler or Belmore Ultra-Bright L22. Or the Mandalong bulls....

     

I talked to someone at Cagwins sale one year that was here from "downunder" (can't remember who) that said Ultra-Bright was actually a better bull than Dazzler.
Another bull that was used up here was Polldale Nonstop. On the right cow I thought he could really click. Martindell Farms bought a son of him at Shadybrooks that was out of an Irish Lassie cow. I really liked him, they just had deeper pockets than me that day.

 

[Okotoks]

        DEERPARK IMPROVER 13TH (H) MUSA603171 
    IDS DUKE OF DUBLIN (H) Red & White MUSA3737445 
        GORTHBOY KILDYSART (H) FIRE1651 
  Sire: MJB BRIGHT STAR 12X (IMP CAN) (P) Roan 88/07892 
        MANDALONG SUPER FLAG (P) Roan M71/01381 
    CUDLOBE BARONESS 4P (P) Roan FCAN638461 
        REMITALL BARONESS 724C (P) Red FCAN596905 
BELMORE ULTRA-BRIGHT L22 (P) (AI) Roan 91/05537 
        GUMBLE HAMISH (P) Roan M76/03246 
    BELMORE HAMISH 2ND (P) (SFA) Red Little White M80/03324 
        BELMORE FLOSSY 2ND (P) (SFA) Roan F74/06274 
  Dam: BELMORE HOLLY 19TH (P) (SFA) Red Little White 87/06570 
        YAMBURGAN MARSHALL 6TH (P) Red Little White M72/02730 
    YAMBURGAN MAYFLOWER 73RD (P) Red F79/02662 
        YAMBURGAN MAYFLOWERS 55TH (P) Red F75/00233 

 

[RyanChandler]

How 'bout those precise color designations. "Red little white" I like it

 

[justintime]

IMO, Belmore Ultrabrite may have been as good an Aussie sire to ever be used here. I absolutely love his daughters and grand daughters. They are thick roomy females that stay in great condition. I have been trying to find semen on him for a few years as everytime I find an  Ultrabrite daughter in someone's herd, she is the best female in that herd.

I came close to buying the North American rights in Moombi Powerplay but my late friend, Craig Andrew purchased the Canadian rights. What I could never understand was that he was promoted to us as being 9 generations polled breeding on both sides of his pedigree, yet I would venture a guess that over 50% of his calves came horned. i have often wondered about his pedigree, and suspect a little Maine snuck into it!. 

We had a Polldale Nonstop bull named CCS World Connection and he was out of the same cow as AF Warrior. World Connection did a very good job for us, and I still have some semen left and I am flushing a donor to him in two weeks. I owned him with Huberdale, and he died the day after he was brought in from breeding cows as a yearling at Huberdale, when he rolled over into a rut and bloated. Saskvalley purchased a syndicate interest in him and they had some super cows out of him as well. Don Cagwin told me that Nonstop was the most structurally sound bull he had seen, and he felt he was exceptional in his joints.

 

[LDT]

TDU>> we humans usuallly have a different name for the word "mate", when it's involved... (lol) (pop)

gotta hand it to you cutter, 5 page discussion...I'm impressed.  notsure in anything will ever be settled but sure got some talkin happenin

 

[LDT]

WHat I am saying- is that there is NOT an option for a TRUE outcross in the breed

If you want an outcross, look at another country ie Australia.

Here is an interesting Aussie bull, he does have a little over a 1/4 North American influence but just one of many examples!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilU3ydW0pjY&feature=related

                BYLAND LEGACY SRD15 ET (H) Red MUSA3960199
JR LEGEND 78H (IMP USA) (P) Red 98X05815
JR FANCY LADY 96E (P) Red Little White FUSA3991845
Sire: THE GROVE NEW LEGEND Z058 (P) (ET) (AI) Roan BDBZ058
THE GROVE ANZAC T67 (P) Red 98/04030
THE GROVE DALE W699 (P) Roan BDBW699
THE GROVE CLASSY DALE 1ST (P) (ET) Roan 97/00034
Animal: YAMBURGAN POSEIDON D176 (P) Red YY D176
WEEBOLLABOLLA THEODORE T85 (P) Roan 98/03769
YAMBURGAN MITTIEBAH 3RD (P) (AI) Red Little White YY W136
YAMBURGAN CLOUDY 391ST (P) (TWIN) (APX) Roan 95A03641
Dam: YAMBURGAN ROYAL 70TH (P) Red Little White YY B10
YAMBURGAN NANDEWAR 3RD (P) Roan YY U130
YAMBURGAN ROYAL 64TH (P) Red YY X269
YAMBURGAN ROYAL 61ST (P) Red YY U111

Here is a bull with some merit. Moves very well.  Has some strength and character about him. If you want to do something for the BEEF industry, use him.  don't know much about most of what was discussed here,but here is a bull with Merit

 

[kfacres]

How 'bout those precise color designations. "Red little white" I like it

Check out the color codes of the American Milking Shorthorn Society...

I tried to find a listing online-- but couldn't.. I will have to look up a reg. app when I get home tonight to find the options... I remember about 10 or so...

 

[kfacres]

Moombi Powerplay was the sire of JSVT Outback. That was the best one I ever worked on out of Moombi Powerplay

more details man...

 

[knabe]

Moombi Powerplay was the sire of JSVT Outback. That was the best one I ever worked on out of Moombi Powerplay

more details man...

You already said moombi sucked, why are you running at the mouth?  Now a son can be good?

Your customers may find out you can't decide what is good or bad.

The day you are consistent or clear or humble about anything is a day that will never come.

Gotta believe the customer list for people like that is enough to be either a bull maker or bull producer.

 

[Okotoks]

Moombi Powerplay was the sire of JSVT Outback. That was the best one I ever worked on out of Moombi Powerplay

more details man...

You already said moombi sucked, why are you running at the mouth?  Now a son can be good?

Your customers may find out you can't decide what is good or bad.

The day you are consistent or clear or humble about anything is a day that will never come.

Gotta believe the customer list for people like that is enough to be either a bull maker or bull producer.

The only reason I am posting pedigrees on this thread is to give some perspective to BS's premise that every Shorthorn bull available is related in the 6th generation! It's true that most of the current show animals are very closely related(based on the animals on the Hill in Denver) but there are still lots of other options. The BS posts a lot but other than being negative and kicking stones I have no idea what his goals or breeding program is about.
Here's a couple of more Aussie bulls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=MsPTiYuzBvo&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-9KWpTbvc4&feature=related

 

[Okotoks]

Pedigrees for above bulls. They are from the same herd but don't look very related in the third generation!

       JR LEGEND 78H (IMP USA) (P) Red 98X05815  
    NARRALDA LEDGER W48 (P) (AI) Red TV4W48  
      NARRALDA JULIET T68 (P) (AI) (SFA) Red & White 98X00913  
  Sire: NARRALDA ALADDIN A048 (P) (AI) Red & White TV4A048  
      NARRALDA USHER T38 (P) Red 98/00973  
    NARRALDA THELMA V132 (P) Red Little White TV4V132  
      NARRALDA THELMA T131 (P) Red & White 98X00949  
Animal: YAMBURGAN JAFAR E82 (P) Red Little White YY E82        
      WEEBOLLABOLLA THEODORE T85 (P) Roan 98/03769  
    YAMBURGAN MITTIEBAH 5TH (P) (AI) Red YY W142  
      YAMBURGAN VIOLA 6TH (P) Red 96/03609  
  Dam: YAMBURGAN INGRID 92ND (H) Roan YY Y34  
      WEEBOLLABOLLA THEODORE T85 (P) Roan 98/03769  
    YAMBURGAN INGRID 84TH (P) (AI) Roan YY W93  
      YAMBURGAN INGRID 63RD (P) Roan 96/04541  
.....................................................................................

         THE GROVE INFORMANT U255 (P) Red BDBU255  
    THE GROVE LOCKYER X857 (P) Roan BDBX857  
      THE GROVE MILLICENT T354 (P) Roan 98X04115  
  Sire: THE GROVE OSCAR A748 (P) (ET) (AI) Red BDBA748  
       SPRYS INSTANT POWERHOUSE 3RD (H) (ET) (AI) (SFA) Red 89/05069  
    THE GROVE DALE 39TH (P) (SFA) Red 91/07107  
      THE GROVE DALE 11TH (P) (SFA) Red F78/04866  
Animal: YAMBURGAN OSSIE E65 (P) Red YY E65    
       YAMBURGAN BOLLINGER (P) Roan 90/03713  
    YAMBURGAN FOXER 27TH (P) Red 96X03715  
      YAMBURGAN CLOUDY 356TH (P) (APX) Red 93B02814  
  Dam: YAMBURGAN JILL 132ND (P) (ET) (AI) Red YY W007  
      CF MASTERKEY 014 (IMP USA) (P) (ET) (APX) Red 90B06302  
    YAMBURGAN JILL 79TH (P) (APX) Red 92A03351  
      YAMBURGAN JILL 49TH (P) Red 88/04182  

 

[kfacres]

The BS posts a lot but other than being negative and kicking stones I have no idea what his goals or breeding program is about.
.

My breeding intentions- have very little- to nothing about what I post..
Most of what I post-- are unanswered questions, or just random thoughts.  Most of the time, my posts and thoughts-- are just to get the other people (reading) to open their eyes and ask questions.. Just to turn on the lightbulb- per say- and maybe think outside the box... 

The only following I can do to you Okotocs-- is you only post pedigrees, mostly of animals that the concensus has never heard of.  You post alot- but rarely respond to questions asked upon you-- and never respond to someone else posting pedigrees that might Triumph yours. 

I ask you- old man Okotocos...  what is your goal in posting?  To be able to be seen as the one who can research a pedigree-- or the one promoting your genetics???  I've seen more of the same ole same ole pictures of your herd sires on here-- why not save yourself the trouble0- and post a direct link to your website all the time?

 

[jaimiediamond]

The BS posts a lot but other than being negative and kicking stones I have no idea what his goals or breeding program is about.
.

The only following I can do to you Okotocs-- is you only post pedigrees, mostly of animals that the concensus has never heard of.  You post alot- but rarely respond to questions asked upon you-- and never respond to someone else posting pedigrees that might Triumph yours. 

Jody I have some really interestingly bred horses that have what I consider pedigrees but I have not posted them on steer planet as most people don't give a flying banana about said Thoroughbred  and Sport horses.  I think your post about the sheep pedigrees lands in the same category of my horses irrelevant when discussing cattle pedigrees.  Perhaps your trying to bring awareness but you always do it in an aggressive and at most times offensive way

 

[kfacres]

The BS posts a lot but other than being negative and kicking stones I have no idea what his goals or breeding program is about.
.

The only following I can do to you Okotocs-- is you only post pedigrees, mostly of animals that the concensus has never heard of.  You post alot- but rarely respond to questions asked upon you-- and never respond to someone else posting pedigrees that might Triumph yours. 

Jody I have some really interestingly bred horses that have what I consider pedigrees but I have not posted them on steer planet as most people don't give a flying banana about said Thoroughbred  and Sport horses.  I think your post about the sheep pedigrees lands in the same category of my horses irrelevant when discussing cattle pedigrees.   Perhaps your trying to bring awareness but you always do it in an aggressive and at most times offensive way

Jamie: I thought it was a discussion about pedigrees and linebreeding... not necessarily beef cattle linebreeding and pedigrees.

 

[frostback]

Then whats the problem with them posting pedigrees. Only you are allowed to do this? You ask for things, people answere them and then you complain. You are a peach..

 

[kfacres]

Then whats the problem with them posting pedigrees. Only you are allowed to do this? You ask for things, people answere them and then you complain. You are a peach..

frosty.. keep the ice out of your crack--  you need to stop cracking me UP (pop) (lol)

 

[r.n.reed]

Jamiediamond,I don't mean to dilute the meaning of your post but I wouldn't mind seeing a few of those Thoroughbred pedigrees.