I give in--- to all shorthorn people--

[RyanChandler]

I guess I'm confused.  My granpa talks about 1000lb roan durhams, as he still calls them,  that his dad ran with their herefords in the late 30s and 40s. What was likely the breeding of these durham cattle in this era?

I also ran across a sale catalog from a shorthorn dispersal in the 20s in Pennsylvania.  Clearly these genetics weren't from the Irish shorthorns.

 

[kfacres]

I guess I'm confused.   My granpa talks about 1000lb roan durhams, as he still calls them,  that his dad ran with their herefords in the late 30s and 40s. What was likely the breeding of these durham cattle in this era?

I also ran across a sale catalog from a shorthorn dispersal in the 20s in Pennsylvania.   Clearly these genetics weren't from the Irish shorthorns.

nobody knows... shorthorn people are, and always have been-- and always will be... trend chasers...  those genetics are long gone and diluted down to non existence...  and now everything is maine, irish, or some other breed...

 

[r.n.reed]

CTBS,There are a few leaders and a host of followers in every breed  and type of livestock,the followers seldom catch up or last and it is rare that new leaders come from their ranks.

Chandler those roan Durhams could have been anything.The Shorthorn breed of the 30's and 40's was probably the most diverse of anytime in Shorthorn history.I had a contingent of Angus breeders visit my herd about a month agne of them spoke about his grandfathers 800 cow red Durham herd [in the east mind you] that had been a closed herd from the 1880's till they were crossed with herefords during the 1940's.You will probably never guess which breed received the credit for the hybrid vigor.

Okotoks, that Royal Grant pedigree points out the interconectivity of the breed .The Lavender cow family was instrumental in the pedigree of Leader 21's sire.

 

[knabe]

genetics are long gone and diluted down to non existence... 

Kinda like expecting a positive comment out of you.

 

[justintime]

. I actually have one vial of Meriwong Royal Grant in storage that I hope to use in the next year. Hopefully it is still good!
     
I find it interesting that the sire of Merriwong Royal Grant was sired by a bull that was bred in the US. The sire, Highbank Royal Duke,was bred in the US and his pedigree is mainly Oakwood and Leemon breeding. This was some of the first polled genetics to go to Australia. Royal Grant was a good sized bull ( I believe he was over 2400 lbs in pasture condition) . I had a full cane of Royal Grant but lost it along with about 100 vials of Pheasant Creek Leader 4th, a bunch of Irish Mist, several canes of Gloriadale Bonaparte( who was exported to South Africa in the 60s at $30,000) and 32 embryos when one of my tanks ruptured unexpectedly a few years ago. Fortunately, I still have two vials of Bogan Yalta who was an Aussie bull sired by Highbank Matchless Duke .Matchless Duke was also straight US bred and was very close in pedigree to Highbank Royal Duke. Bogan Yalta semen was purchased by Louis Latimer( Remitall) when he visited Australia in the late 60s. Yalta was also a bigger framed bull in that day. I have had very good luck with using old semen in flushes, and I am hoping the Yalta is still good.

 

[oakview]

I remember a bull named Dandaloo Royal Duke that I thought looked good back in the day.  I thought I remembered that Louada Farms had used him.  When you mentioned the Highbank bull, it brought back the memory of Royal Duke and I looked on the ASA website and found that Royal Duke was sired by the Highbank bul.  I also noticed that Dandaloo Royal Duke sired a bull that Louada used heavily towards the end of their herd named Kelso Ignition.  It just so happens that I was going through an old Shorthorn magazine last night and saw their 2 page ad with Ignition's photo in it.  It appeared that Dandaloo Royal Duke was used in numerous herds so there could be some semen lurking about.  I was actually looking for the Pheasant Creek ad so I could again compare the 4 Pheasant Creek Leader bulls they were promoting.  It is a lot of fun to go back through those old magazines. 

 

[thunderdownunder]

Kelso was a top Aussie herd and their animals still appear in a number of pedigrees today. Breeders who purchased animals at their dispersal say they made some of their best breeding decisions that day; Kelso cattle have played a successful part in a number of herds.

      HIGHBANK DETERMINATION IMP. IN DAM.U.S.A.! (P) Red M57/02793 
    HIGHBANK MATCHLESS DUKE (P) Red Little White M57/03392 
      OAKWOOD NONPARIEL 3RD (IMP USA) (P) Red F57/06189 
  Sire: DANDALOO ROYAL DUKE (P) Red M64/00339 
      DERRIBONG FEARLESS (P) Red M57/03505 
    DANDALOO DAISY (P) Red F58/01099 
      DANDALOO DUCHESS 20TH (H) Red F57/09742 
Animal: KELSO IGNITION (P) Roan M68/01451  
      PRIAM ROYAL LEADER IMP.U.S.A.! (P) Roan M57/04025 
    KAROOLA INDIANA (P) Roan M60/00258 
      KAROOLA DUCHESS 26TH (P) Roan F57/07725 
  Dam: KELSO FANNY (P) Roan F65/00686 
      HIGHLAND AURORA 10 TH (P) Roan M57/04233 
    GUNNAWARRA FANNY 13TH (P) Red F58/00999 
      GUNNAWARRA FANNY 10TH (P) Red F57/08403 


Here's a pedigree of one of my all time favourite Aussie bulls. Wyarama Vicar is still being used by AI today and still having great results.

      YAMBAH KENELM (P) (SFA) Red M78/02257 
    WHITE WELL IDLE 2ND (P) (SFA) Roan M82/00119 
      YAMBAH CASS 2ND (P) White F80/01211 
  Sire: WYARAMA PEPPER (P) Roan M84/02353 
      GUMBLE HAMISH (P) Roan M76/03246 
    WYARAMA LILY 12TH (P) Roan F82/00156 
      WYARAMA LILY 9TH (P) (SFA) Roan F79/04527 
Animal: WYARAMA VICAR (P) White 87/07587         
      BUNDALEER AIR MARSHALL (P) Red M72/01739 
    BUNDALEER GONZALES (P) Red M78/01939 
      BUNDALEER LADY FORTUNE 23RD (P) Red F70/03132 
  Dam: WYARAMA GRACE 21ST (P) Roan F82/00801 
      GUMBLE HAMISH (P) Roan M76/03246 
    WYARAMA GRACE 16TH (P) Red F80/01654 
      WYARAMA GRACE 5TH (P) Roan F72/04744 

 

[kfacres]

hey TDU??  what can you enlighten us about moombie powerplay?  or the other AU bull that has slipped my thoughts at this particular time frame that I see in quite a few pedigrees...  Not Venture...

 

[feeder duck]

Moombi Powerplay was the sire of JSVT Outback. That was the best one I ever worked on out of Moombi Powerplay

 

[oakview]

Could you be thinking of Marellan Super Dazzler?  I think he was probably the most popular Austrailian bull used over here lately.  I was told the Wyarama Pepper was the heaviest muscled Austrailian bull. (?)

 

[kfacres]

Could you be thinking of Marellan Super Dazzler?  I think he was probably the most popular Austrailian bull used over here lately.  I was told the Wyarama Pepper was the heaviest muscled Austrailian bull. (?)

I don't think that's him-- but it could be... that's a whole different world you know...

 

[thunderdownunder]

hey TDU??  what can you enlighten us about moombie powerplay?  or the other AU bull that has slipped my thoughts at this particular time frame that I see in quite a few pedigrees...  Not Venture...

What do you want to know about Powerplay? Your description of the other Aussie bull doesn't help me... I was thinking either Super Dazzler or Belmore Ultra-Bright L22. Or the Mandalong bulls....

      YAMBAH KENELM (P) (SFA) Red M78/02257 
    WHITE WELL IDLE 2ND (P) (SFA) Roan M82/00119 
      YAMBAH CASS 2ND (P) White F80/01211 
  Sire: WYARAMA PEPPER (P) Roan M84/02353 
      GUMBLE HAMISH (P) Roan M76/03246 
    WYARAMA LILY 12TH (P) Roan F82/00156 
      WYARAMA LILY 9TH (P) (SFA) Roan F79/04527 
MOOMBI POWERPLAY J89 (P) (ET) (AI) Roan 89/02432  
      MANDALONG ROYAL DOUGLAS (P) Red Little White M69/02431 
    MANDALONG ROYAL GARY (P) Roan M72/00609 
      ALICE DOWNS MARY ANN 6TH (P) Roan F68/01629 
  Dam: MANDALONG ENIA 6TH (P) Red Little White F74/04650 
      MANDALONG GRANT 2 (P) Roan M65/00402 
    MANDALONG ROANY 38TH (P) Roan F69/02855 
      MANDALONG ROANY 5TH (P) Red Little White F65/02033 

 

[kfacres]

could be WEEBOLLABOLLA THEODORE T85

or another bull with that prefix.. for the life of me- I can't find it.. but in my searches during the last month- two AU bulls kept popping up.. this one and powerplay.. guess I'll have to revisit places I have already to figure it out..

who bred him?  what was he like?  who brought him over?  what did he look like/

 

[Okotoks]

We took Diamond Captain Mark 27C s dam to Colorado (Frostback's) to flush to marellan super Dazzler and that flush didn't work but she was bred back for a natural calf by Dazzler and we brought that bull home and used him. He gave us some nice daughters as well he left some good calves at Circle M. A son of this bull went to Coulee Shorthorns in Washington. dazzler had the same sire line as Powerplay.
       xA7802257 YAMBAH KENELM
    xA8200119 WHITE WELL IDLE 2ND
         xA8001211 YAMBAH CASS 2ND
  Grand Sire: xA8402353 WYARAMA PEPPER
         xA7603246 GUMBLE HAMISH
    xA8200156 WYARAMA LILY 12TH
         xA7904527 WYARAMA LILY 9TH
SIRE A8707587 WYARAMA VICAR
          xA7201739 BUNDALEER AIR MARSHALL
    xA7801939 BUNDALEER GONZALES
        xA7003132 BUNDALEER LADY FORTUNE 23RD
 Grand Dam: xA8200801 WYARAMA GRACE 21ST
        xA7603246 GUMBLE HAMISH
     A8001654 WYARAMA GRACE 16TH
        xA7204744 WYARAMA GRACE 5TH

MARELLAN SUPER DAZZLER x3909543 PHA-F TH-F

          3684142 TH-C DEERPARK IMPROVER
     3693924 TH-F DEERPARK IMPROVER 2ND
         I209861 DEERPARK KILDYSART 7TH
   Grand Sire: x3772110 DCC PROPHET X
          3573050 HILLTOP LANCER 457
     x3664989 NELCO WILD LILY L 4
           x3542330 WILD LILY 2D ]  
 DAM xA8802734 MARELLAN ISOBEL 29TH
           xA7003225 MANDALONG SUPER ERMIN
      xA7701857 NEPOWIE SUNSET
           xA7103753 NEPOWIE BEATRICE 6TH
  Grand Dam: xA8000404 MARELLAN ISOBEL 10TH
             xA7203618 MERIWONG TAMAR
         xA7602603 MARELLAN ISOBEL 3RD
             xA5001958 MARELLAN  

 

[thunderdownunder]

Weebolabolla Theodore T85 has nearly 1000 calves registered from over 120 herds in Australia. He features in a LOT of modern pedigrees.

      NARRALDA IMPROVER (P) Roan M86/03022 
    WEEBOLLABOLLA KENT K18 (P) Red Little White 90/01114 
      WEEBOLLABOLLA SANDRA 10TH (P) (SFA) Red F86/02028 
  Sire: WEEBOLLABOLLA QUILPIE Q18 (P) Roan 95/03953 
      WEEBOLLABOLLA DIGNITY 3RD (P) (SFA) Red Little White M80/00033 
    WEEBOLLABOLLA HARBOUR H137 (P) (SFA) Red 88/08249 
      WEEBOLLABOLLA DORIS 6TH (P) (SFA) Roan F81/02500 
WEEBOLLABOLLA THEODORE T85 (P) Roan 98/03769  
      MAJOR FOXER (P) Roan M80/01373 
    YAMBURGAN BOXER 58TH (P) (SFA) Roan M86/02257 
      YAMBURGAN CONNIE 8TH (P) (SFA) Red Little White F82/02912 
  Dam: WEEBOLLABOLLA NINDETHANA (P) (AI) Red 93/05877 
      WEEBOLLABOLLA GRENADIER 22ND (P) (SFA) Roan M83/00033 
    WEEBOLLABOLLA HELENA H144 (P) (SFA) Red 88/08235 
      WEEBOLLABOLLA SANDRA 2ND (P) (SFA) Red F76/02750 

 

[thunderdownunder]

who bred him?  what was he like?  who brought him over?  what did he look like/

Moombi Powerplay J89 was a 1989-drop roan calf bred by Lester and Sonya Job from Cumnock in NSW and owned by Iceway Farms in Houston. I am trying to find some photos as he was before my time.... someone on here may have an old catalogue with pics of him.

 

[coyote]

TDU would you have a picture of WYARAMA VICAR or WYARAMA PEPPER ?

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Moombi Powerplay is also the Grandsire of Eskimo Joe-and the Sire Of Crocadile Dundee-used by Harold Slick Hoskins-whose cattle were a bloodtyping nightmare-but boy were they good-He was a pioneer at breeding-Simmintal,Maines,and Charolais to Shorthorns instead of using no-ass harddoing Dairy cattle. Im basically the one who persuaded him to get-the embryos on PowerplayxCedar Curve Fara-when we saw the Echodale hiefers at Louisville (1992-or1993) and Wankels bull who became the sire of Eskmo Joe,I think Dan or Thom Mitchell bought one of them-they were cool.clubby looking,and ten years ahead of the curve. WE KNEW DAM WELL POWERPLAY HAD MAINE IN HIM-and that he was the Australian club calf bull per se.Harold also knew that between him and Cedar Curve Farah(who also had alot of fullblood) that alot of previous tracks would be covered when the ensuing bull(Dundee) got bred to his cows. He did:they moderated so fast in one generation that he started using Elbee and a certain red maine from Canada (Polled Mcgiver son)etc.Id love to have Powerplay semen now. O0

 

[vcsf]

Here are a couple of photos of Moombi Powerplay.  But if BS knew everyone that had some involvment with the bull he would probably lose all interest.

 

[kfacres]

.  But if BS knew everyone that had some involvment with the bull he would probably lose all interest.

scratch those genetics off the list.. piss poor at best now that you tell me that.. just had to run your mouth didn't you... (thumbsup) (argue) (angel) (lol) (clapping)