Shorty hf bulls

[trevorgreycattleco]

I see a common theme there............lots of RS bulls making the list. And not one of them is 329. That guy (Rob Sneed) has got it going on.

 

[Okotoks]

I see a common theme there............lots of RS bulls making the list. And not one of them is 329. That guy (Rob Sneed) has got it going on.

329 exceeded all the parameters except weaning weight, but I was just showing that there were lots of light BW bulls even when you kept some performance for WW and YW. 329 is +30 for YW, pretty good for a bull with a -2.8 BW EPD. Sneed's really showed up on this search.

 

[Endless Meadows]

It was a nice surprise to see one of our past herdsires on the list and one of last year's steer calves made the list also.

 

[Okotoks]

It was a nice surprise to see one of our past herdsires on the list and one of last year's steer calves made the list also.

(lol) Well it was just a search of EPD's so any steers would show up. You must have some good bulls for birth weight. A person would want to see the beasts anyway as EPD's do not alone make a good animal!

 

[sue]

I did the following search on the ASA.
It returned a list of 136 bulls. I included the minmums for weaning and yearling because those would be the numbers I want. If you lower those the list is pretty long!
Search Parameters
Birth Wt. max. 0 Weaning Wt. Min. +15 Yearling Wt. Minimum+25 Milk Minimum 0

http://search.shorthorn.org/default.aspx

wow- I have never done that search before. 034 and goldmine just made the top 20 list for numbr of calves registered.
Page 1 many of the RS bulls sold this past spring- 4179021 or 507 was high seller- Koulee, Washington
4169011  or 431 is going to a repeat commerical bull customer, loved this bull.  Page 2  4129798 or 119 is at Warren and Roger Lakamp's and he is a beast, they are using him back Eionmor Genetics.

 

[Endless Meadows]

It was a nice surprise to see one of our past herdsires on the list and one of last year's steer calves made the list also.

(lol) Well it was just a search of EPD's so any steers would show up. You must have some good bulls for birth weight. A person would want to see the beasts anyway as EPD's do not alone make a good animal!

He really didn't live up to the numbers and was an average steer calf at best

 

[Shady Lane]

It was a nice surprise to see one of our past herdsires on the list and one of last year's steer calves made the list also.

(lol) Well it was just a search of EPD's so any steers would show up. You must have some good bulls for birth weight. A person would want to see the beasts anyway as EPD's do not alone make a good animal!

He really didn't live up to the numbers and was an average steer calf at best

  This statement summarised my general feeling on EPD's in general.

 

[jaimiediamond]

I have seen people be blind over some of the strangest of things.  

We have the people that are pedigree blind. If an animal is in a pedigree people won't buy it OR if an animal isn't in the pedigree people won't buy it.

We have people that are colour blind.  Self explanatory

We have people that are barn blind. They don't see the quality of other peoples stock OR they won't buy from a breeder just cause

We also have people that are EPD Blind.  EPDs are just numbers until the accuracies come in then they are a great tool to use in a breeding program as long as there is a good animal to go with them.

 

[sue]

Jamie
I have a confession to make- I turned out a dark dark roan bull this past Sunday. He is line bred and scurred.  I know this could eliminate from my red team but..... I wanted you to be the first to know. ;D

 

[jaimiediamond]

Jamie
I have a confession to make- I turned out a dark dark roan bull this past Sunday. He is line bred and scurred.  I know this could eliminate from my red team but..... I wanted you to be the first to know. ;D

surely they can forgive one slip up  (clapping) <beer>

He must have been pretty awesome what is he?

 

[sue]

CO son  X CO daughter.  I guess if my red mafia t-shirt is on "back order" I take it as a hint.
But I kicked him back out on CO daughters and they are red? 

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I want a t shirt too! I could wear it golfing and out to fine dinner dates.

 

[rarebirdz]

CO son  X CO daughter.  I guess if my red mafia t-shirt is on "back order" I take it as a hint.
But I kicked him back out on CO daughters and they are red?   

goin off the pic and video of CO would u not be concerned about hind leg set line breeding to CO like that? What abut growth? 2 dimensional isnt always so I could be totaly wrong ???

 

[jaimiediamond]

CO son  X CO daughter.  I guess if my red mafia t-shirt is on "back order" I take it as a hint.
But I kicked him back out on CO daughters and they are red? 

when you have time you should load a picture I am dying to know what the bull that made you possibly forfeit your red mafia membership really looks like

 

[sue]

CO son  X CO daughter.  I guess if my red mafia t-shirt is on "back order" I take it as a hint.
But I kicked him back out on CO daughters and they are red?   

goin off the pic and video of CO would u not be concerned about hind leg set line breeding to CO like that? What abut growth? 2 dimensional isnt always so I could be totaly wrong ???

Dont confuse length of stride with leg set? For a bull his siize he is long hipped and long strided, covers his tracks and has lots of base width- ask anyone who has seen CO on cows. Captain offspring weights have never been an issue at weaning.

In this particular mating - Lo Rider's ( dark roan) sire was the high indexing bull of 2008 and we mated him to the high indexing CO daughter of 2008. So we did a brother x sister mating and made Lo Rider, he for me is the deepest side yrling sh bulls i have seen. I hope to just get  more uniformity and rib then what we already get from CO, his grandsire.
Jamie- lo rider's videos are on our chanel, one from dec and the other is april.

 

[Okotoks]

Earlier I posted some results based on an EPD search. In actual fact I should have included accuracy as one pf the search fields. I realize EPD's can be frustrating but one should remember it means Expected Progeny Difference. The more data collected and turned in the more relevant the numbers become. I am told that if you know what you are doing and have enough animals you can create false contemporary groups and scew the results. As with everything there will always be people looking for ways to cheat the system. If you don't report accurate birth weights and calving ease, performance numbers or pedigrees your repeat customer list is only going to dwindle to nothing. In the long run it will hurt that producer and it sure doesn't help the anyone in a breed. Unfortunately there are always buyers attracted to the bling not substance
I think one of the best and most thoughtful articles on this subject is on Y Lazy Y's website. It is worth the read and if you don't have time to read all of it scroll down and read the last two sentences!

http://yydurhamcattle.com/rants.html

 

[sue]

okotoks. Unless your name is Fred as in Flinstone .... I doubt anyone in the purebred business of shorthorn thinks that the false reporting of information within the  shorthorn breed was invented in Dunlap, Iowa????  This whole thing just makes me laugh ...  Like who cares ... now you think we have a calving problem and we didnt in the 90's????? I have friends outside the breed that worked in sh herds with bloodlines like Rodeo Drive ... that pulled calves with Nissan trucks in the 90's.  Please dont get me started . 

 

[Okotoks]

okotoks. Unless your name is Fred as in Flinstone .... I doubt anyone in the purebred business of shorthorn thinks that the false reporting of information within the  shorthorn breed was invented in Dunlap, Iowa????  This whole thing just makes me laugh ...  Like who cares ... now you think we have a calving problem and we didnt in the 90's????? I have friends outside the breed that worked in sh herds with bloodlines like Rodeo Drive ... that pulled calves with Nissan trucks in the 90's.  Please dont get me started .  

Nothing like a thoughtful informative answer ??? I take it you didn't take 20 seconds to read the Y Lazy Y link I posted. I have no clue how you tie Dunlop Iowa,calving problems and Rodeo Drive into a response to what I was saying about reporting as much EPD information as possible as accurately as possible to benefit the breed!

 

[thunderdownunder]

I am told that if you know what you are doing and have enough animals you can create false contemporary groups and scew the results.

This is correct, there have been several people caught out trying to do this... eventually the system appears to catch up with most people. There are legitimate ways of altering contemporary groups and tha data submitted, unfortunately, but as you said, it only hurts the breeder and his buyers in the long run. Hence the saying, what goes around, comes around.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Whats the point with all this false reporting? What good can come out of it? Shouldnt common sense step up here at some point? How will your customers ever be happy with what you sell? For as long as it takes to breed cattle, I would think lieing about the data will only set you back. If a animal doesnt work, it should go to town.  Thats how I roll in my little fishbowl.  I pay about no attention to the epds in the shorties these days.