Shorty hf bulls

[Okotoks]

I'd like to know about the * too.  I'll have a chance to see the cartwright bull soon. 

Did you get to see him yet? Pics would be nice.

 

[northern rancher]

I guess it's time I made my innaugral post on here-I've known JIT for alot of years-had alot of fun both at Agribition and a week long bull sale trip to Deadwood. We ranch at opposite ends of the province and kind of fell out of touch since BSE-I kind of holed up here coaching AA hockey and packing rodeo team around. Grant is a very knowledgeable and sincere cattleman that I do know. We are seriously contemplating adding some SH genetics to our program to use on our black baldie cows-we have ranched here for 95 years. We are a forage based-grass calving outfit so we are very cognizent of calving ease-an assist is not an inconvenience but at times a dead cow-after I'm guessing 2000 grass calvings over the years I think we lost two females the hfrs calve out with the cows. Up until the last two years we retained ownership of our cattle to slaughter and contrary to popular belief you don't need gargantuan BW to be profitable in the feedlot. In fact if every purebred breed fed a pen or two of cattle a year it would probably change their attitudes and perceptions of the commercial business as much variation in type as any breed out. It has taken us awhile to add SH to our deal because quite frankly there is a feeling out there that there are calving problems.I have finally got a chance to tour some herds and have sourced some genetics I think will work-the cattle are run in a practical manner also-the Muridale herd  impressed me alot-I've got a bit of a cancer deal going so glad I took the time to visit them last year-pretty much housebound now. Back forty years ago when I was a kid we had a fair number of SHX cows-they were very productive when we crossbred Char bulls on them. Now I think the SH breed could almost split into two herdbooks as much variation as any breed out there. As always the breeders raising cattle that can make you money without too much pain will always find their way.

 

[justintime]

Nice to hear from you Northern Rancher!  Yes, it has been awhile since we travelled the same trails, so to speak. I agree with everything you said, and I also think adding some Shorthorn to your genetic mix is not a bad idea. You must be a mind reader, as I was just telling my wife today about the trip to Deadwood. If memory serves me right, I think we had about 40 bulls that we sold at Sturgis in the Range Bull Sale there.It was a real education meeting and talking with these real world cowboys. We sold all 15 of our Horned Hereford bulls to one ranch in Wyoming. After the sale, I told him I would try to stop in when we drove to Denver, and I will always remember him telling me to plan an extra day because the bulls could be anywhere over the 100 miles of the ranch. He wasn't kidding either. His idea of checking heifers at calving time was he flew his airplane over the heifer pasture 3 times a week. He flew the cow calving pastures once a week. If it looked like there were too many cows down, or dead, they then road the pastures on horseback. Back in June, I happened to run into the rancher who purchased all our Shorthorn bulls at this sale, in a TSC store in Billings. One of these bulls was a Rodeo Drive son and he said this bull had been used for 11 breeding seasons on his Montana ranch. He said he wished he could find more bulls that could cover as many cows as that bull could. ( I didn't tell him that some people think that Rodeo Drive cattle can't work in the real world!!)
We had lots of laughs and met a pile of interesting cattle people. I remember meeting the couple who own the ranch that Dances with Wolves was filmed on. As it turns out, they were both raised in NE Montana and grew up about 70 miles from where I live. They placed an order with me for 80-100 Shorthorn X Hereford heifers, and I was unable to find enough to fill the order. Too bad, as they were seriously wanting to add Shorthorn to their cowherd as well.

While you and I both live in Saskatchewan, I am probably closer to most places in Wyoming than I am to you. If you need any assistance or information finding some Shorthorn bloodlines that will work in your operation, give me a shout!

 

[northern rancher]

We are still legends in Deadwood lol. One of the coolest things was watching 5 bulls packing my brand on the bank of the Powder River east of Kaycee. We see Tony once or twice a year and camp at Arvid's pretty regular. I've got my eye on a pretty interesting bull I just hope the purebred boys don't find him as intriguing as I do. When did Craig pass on? He took me on quite the cultural tour of the Stock Show back a few years ago-if I get this cancer beat back a bit I'll hit the cattle trails again-I have a daughter plays AAA summer hockey and Ty rides pro saddle bronc so chase them most of summer.

 

[justintime]

We are still legends in Deadwood lol. One of the coolest things was watching 5 bulls packing my brand on the bank of the Powder River east of Kaycee. We see Tony once or twice a year and camp at Arvid's pretty regular. I've got my eye on a pretty interesting bull I just hope the purebred boys don't find him as intriguing as I do. When did Craig pass on? He took me on quite the cultural tour of the Stock Show back a few years ago-if I get this cancer beat back a bit I'll hit the cattle trails again-I have a daughter plays AAA summer hockey and Ty rides pro saddle bronc so chase them most of summer.

It is hard for me to believe that it was 3 years ago, in late December, that Craig passed away. He was a true cattleman in that he was purchasing cows until a week before he passed away. All the best in beating the cancer, and I hope you are back on the road soon.

 

[northern rancher]

Well i skimmed all 81 pages and saw some pictures and stats on some outstanding individuals-I think people are a bit guilty of making something as basic as buying a heifer bull into a UN debate-the cattle business can be as easy or as complicated as ou want to make it-I've found if you manage to the easy it's usually more profitable and alot more enjoyable. I used to be really into number crunching was on test station boards,selected replacements pretty much on performance and was in charge of administring the ROP programs for NW Sask. It was while doing this that I got my first exposure to a fairly large commercial SH operation 200+ mother cows. It was also the major reason why I shied away from using them-the owner had taught himself how to do his own caeserians. As the years passed by I gradually changed towards a more traditional production mindset. When you retain ownership to slaughter WW is a pretty much redundant record to keep-they are all going to get to 1300 pounds at harvest-the ones that aren't especially bloomy at weaning will compensate as yearlings on grass or in the feedlot-our mindset is running a low cost outfit so we don't need big splashy weights to bedazzle the neighbors and thrill the onlookers-we were kind of successful at the performance deal too-was featured in some national breed adds, magazine covers and won some steer feedlot trials. However in my mind we were spinning our tires our cost of production was going nowhere but up and we were running for lack of better term a 'terminal' cowherd. I think mature size, frame and BW can be tghe most incidious thing to let get away from you. Once you get BW bred into a cowherd it's very hard to remove-I just dispersed those cows and replaced them with a more British based maternal set of females. In the purebred deal I think the cow size conundrum is made worse by feeding to the EPD-it is pretty easy to throw another bucket in the feed trough. The cow herd exists here totally on forage so we just naturally select for wide muzzled, capacios good footed cows-it isn't a process we dwell on those are just the cattle that survive and breed back year after year.So were giving Shorties a try-hopefully the genetics I chose work and I can keep this liver healthy enough to see the results of the journey. By the way I really like the Coalpit Leader bull of Larsons. I was fortunate enough to have Bob Gordon as my boss when I first got in the A'I business with western breeders-if Bob was describing a bull to you and he compared him to Coronet Leader you knew he was something special.

 

[Okotoks]

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Actual BW 76 lbs. Red polled...........................
 

Did anyone find out if this bull was collected?

His name is listed on the ASA site for genetic testing but has no case number.

There's a red bull sired by this guy in the Nebraska Cattlemen's Classic - Lot 8.

http://cattlemens.org/pdf/2012/breedcatalogs/Shorthorn.pdf

 

[sue]

RS 034  semen to purebred breeders is available at $40/ unit.  Call for commerical pricing. More then likely this can still be shipped from Cattle Visions. The demand for 034 continued through fall breeding and Rob Sneed made the choice to put him back into the purebred areana.  RS Girl 57th deceased earlier this fall... Paint Valley Farms Donor. RS 034 passed the fall of 2010.  If you would like to more know about the Pacer Performance Breeder" Rob Sneed Shorthorns" ... He  now face books !  Or call or click on Sue's page.  Commerical or Purebred application  RS 034 stamps like no other.  3 sons of 034 are walking bulls at RS today. 

 

[coyote]

Here are the two  bulls that we used on our heifers this year. They are both in the Whos Your Daddy Bull sale.
Muridale Johnny 22x Sired by Muridale Buster2nd 76P

Muridale Cumberand Lad 1X sired by Cumberland Gay lad.

 

[cattleman70]

Jakes Proud Jazz is the best shorthorn heifer bull. He still throws look in his calves. Proud Jazz all the way.

 

[Mainevent]

Capiche as good as advertised!

 

[RyanChandler]

Capiche as good as advertised!

If only his rear legs could keep up.

The best jsf heifer bull imo, is Maestro.

 

[Mainevent]

I must have bred to the right cow! My calf has a great back leg.

 

[kfacres]

Capiche as good as advertised!

If only his rear legs could keep up.

The best jsf heifer bull imo, is Maestro.

I would worry about his front end structure and flex... especially since he has a double shot of straight shouldered in his pedigree.. <rock>

but it must not worry me too much.. he's in my tank...

 

[Okotoks]

Capiche as good as advertised!

If only his rear legs could keep up.

The best jsf heifer bull imo, is Maestro.

I think JSF Addicted is the best of the JPJ sons. Above average performance in an eye appealing package. He seems to be breeding very consistently.
CE     BW       WW      YW      Milk     MW      MCE
0.8    1.6        22         37        2       13        1.8

 

[Okotoks]

Here are the two  bulls that we used on our heifers this year. They are both in the Whos Your Daddy Bull sale.
Muridale Johnny 22x Sired by Muridale Buster2nd 76P

Muridale Cumberand Lad 1X sired by Cumberland Gay lad.

They are looking good. Are the Cumberland Gay Lad's going to mature at the same size as the other bulls? What are the sire groups for your consignments?

 

[Thomas]

Anybody no anything about the jdmc remedy bull with cattle visions?

 

[sue]

Anybody no anything about the jdmc remedy bull with cattle visions?

JDMC has a web page  shorthornbulls or redshorthornbulls.... they use alot of ohlde influence so I expect that based on your earlier post you might like the program that have started in minnesota.

 

[JB Cattle Company]

No what about him? Is he new?

 

[Okotoks]

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