Black Shorthorns

[Duncraggan]

That information there is worth very little.  The data from 4 of the 8 of those bulls came from the reportings from 1 herd.  One that specializes in EPD engineering at that.  I haven't looked at the numbers but I would wager that very few offspring, maybe a handful?, have been reported out of each of them.  It's more of a 'first mover advantage' type deal: Because essentially no carcass data has been reported on the majority of the population, those individual bulls who do have some carcass data reported, by default, become the trait leaders.  I may run a 12 minute mile but if I'm the only person entered in the race, then not only am I the fastest, but I'm the champ!

Does anyone know how many scans and/or kills are needed to get a bull to the .5 acc minimum? Is a kill the equivalent of 7 or 8 scans?

You can't look at like that.  Depending on the accuracy of the references used in your contemporary group, it might take 1 calf to get .5 or it might take 100.  It's a sliding scale: The higher the level of accuracy the reference sires in the contemporary group are, the less calves it will take.  Inversely, the lower the accuracy of the reference sire, the more calves it will take.

The glaring omission on the table is the number of progeny!

 

[aj]

bump

 

[aj]

I know that nothing upsets "Shorthorn Nation" more than discussing black black shorthorns. No one seams to mind the black Shorthorn plus heifers with genetics sporting lethal genetic defects. One thing that I have noticed is that Shorthorn people hate cattle that look like Angus or Red Angus cattle. They love roans......blue roans.......anything with a freaky color pattern. I have noticed that Kruse seems to be dabbling in black Shorthorn pluses. Lovings have been selling black half blood bulls for 6,000 dollars a piece at their sale. I have been praying that some breeder would would produce a 6807 son that one could get semen on........just to be able to play around with 6807's depth of body genetics.

 

[aj]

last I knew 6807 semen was 500$ a straw.

 

[Gargan]

last I knew 6807 semen was 500$ a straw.

You can find it for under $200 recently.  Hes getting back down where its affordable to ai the known fertile cows to him

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I have not tried to peruse breeding black shorthorns, rather, I have been putting a purebred bull out with my recipe for years and retain the daughter for future recipient cows.  In doing so, I have had on female that was a blue roan and was 15/16 blood.  However, she was kept at 1/2 blood status all others have been red at 7/8 or more.  I don't think black shorthorns will be a big seller for the purebred breeder but maybe the future of the commercial producer. May breeds have gone black and lack a defining image, shorthorns have stayed true to red,white and roan giving the identity moving into the future.

I agree with this. Simmy and limis have had success going black, but the Herefords and charolais  got in the game a little to late IMO. They haven't taken off with their black stains like the Simmy and limis have. Besides, Angus is trying to be like horns and go white now.  (lol)

(clapping) (clapping) (clapping) O0

 

[RyanChandler]

limis registrations have decreased from over 20k in 2000 to ~5k in 2020.      Trendy is way overrated.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

limis registrations have decreased from over 20k in 2000 to ~5k in 2020.      Trendy is way overrated. Got that right(clapping)

 

[unclebobo]

What about black Charolais-That seems equally elusive Get so many mousy ones you have the moooskateers

 

[beebe]

That is the beauty of the grass fed beef business.  Nobody cares what color the hair is or what a judge thinks.  What matters is the quality of the product and the customer gets to decide that.

 

[shortybreeder]

That is the beauty of the grass fed beef business.  Nobody cares what color the hair is or what a judge thinks.  What matters is the quality of the product and the customer gets to decide that.

We supplement our feeders with grain for flavor and to save on time/space, but otherwise same here. I will sell a "budget" show heifer here and there, but the direct-beef sales provides a pretty sturdy "floor price." In my experience, the direct-beef market is saturated with "angus" (dairy X) cattle that are disappointing consumers. They're looking for something "different" and when a roan animal crosses their Facebook, they notice it. Getting people to stop scrolling through their Facebook is a challenge, but a flashy, pretty roan cow directing them towards a website where they can sign up or buy beef has been a major competitive advantage in my opinion.

 

[beebe]

If customers are not satisfied we take the beef back and refund their money.  That has happened twice, we then sold the beef to someone else and they loved it.  Sold a sample last week, two days later he ordered a whole animal for January delivery.  He has no idea what color the hair will be.