NWSS Photographer NEW PICTURE!!!

[box6rranch]

I just paid a lot of money to the photographer for this?????
I think it's a pretty horrible representation not only of my bull but of the show. The angle is rotten, he didn't even center the bull in the background. and honestly look at the fake grass carpet, it's filthy and disgusting. We are suppose to print and advertise off of these pics. UGH!!!!!!

 

[Cowboy Up]

That is rather disappointing....but I don't know what to tell you.  :-\

 

[austin]

you deserve a refund 

 

[box6rranch]

Glad to see others agree with me. You would think for such a prestigious show they would have higher expectations for their photographers. I can't even crop the picture or it's way off center.

 

[LN]

I totally agree. I saw some other photos of champions from Denver and the background is disappointing and the fake grass looks gross. Not a pic I would want to advertise with.

 

[N2ShowN]

Nothing you can do about the picture being off center at this point, but I would contact the photographer and have them photshop the ground cover and the back drop so they are the right color and not so dirty looking.  If they are good with Photoshop they could also mover the sign so it is more centered.  If they can't do it there are others that could.

 

[Bawndoh]

I agree it does look aweful.  I can imagine what they want you to pay for a 5x7 too!!  I have seen soooo many "photographers" warp the look of cattle all too often.  Ive seen prestegious champion cattle, have their photo taken, only too look NOTHING like they do in real life. 

 

[box6rranch]

These are pictures we took of our bull the week before stock show. I think he looks much better in our pictures without being fit. What do you think?

 

[shortyjock89]

I think he looks better in your pic from home too.  I would get a nice clean pen, clean him up and fit him, and try to get another good pic of him running around in the pen.  I got to see him at the NWSS after you guys had just washed him, and I thought he looked really good.  I also really liked your ShorthornPlus heifer..how did she end up doing?

 

[justintime]

I was watching the picture taking at Denver and could not help but notice the dirty carpet that was being used in the picture area. I was very surprised that Alan Browarny did not make them get aclean piece of carpet. At one point, I saw them flip the carpet over, but the other side was just as dirty. Browarny uses quite a number of photgraphers for a show this size and some of them did not seem to be as " professional" as they needed to be in an important event like the National Western. I would suggest that you contact browarny's office and see if they can clean up the picture and get it centered better. it seems that should be the least they should do, as they certainly charge enough to start with.

 

[box6rranch]

Thanks so much, I appreciate that!
We really like our shorthorn plus. She's out of our bull and a PB Angus we have. She did ok placed 3rd in open and 4th in junior. The heifer in front of her during the junior show kept blowing so it threw her off walking. I think she'll look really good for my daughter's jackpots and shows this season. It was her first show and she hung in there like a trooper.

 

[dori36]

I was watching the picture taking at Denver and could not help but notice the dirty carpet that was being used in the picture area. I was very surprised that Alan Browarny did not make them get aclean piece of carpet. At one point, I saw them flip the carpet over, but the other side was just as dirty. Browarny uses quite a number of photgraphers for a show this size and some of them did not seem to be as " professional" as they needed to be in an important event like the National Western. I would suggest that you contact browarny's office and see if they can clean up the picture and get it centered better. it seems that should be the least they should do, as they certainly charge enough to start with.

I'm really surprised by both the angle of the picture as well as the background and fake grass/carpet or whatever it was.  I've never seen that used where my cattle have been photographed.  Maybe we, the Lowline people, were just lucky but we usually got the best of the Browarny's!  Which arena did the Shorties show in?  We always are 'relegated' to the Pepsi Arena in the yards but the picture taking area is good.  Here are two from 2002 and 2008 where you can clearly see that the footing was shavings.  And it was shavings for the shows in between these two. Maybe that's a better way to go - easy to keep fresh looking.  No, that's not me showing but they are/were my cattle.

 

[box6rranch]

I think where we show is the indoor stadium arena. We've been doing it for years but this is the worst I've seen the staging area. I agree that shavings are much better than the whole carpet thing. I have no idea what the photographer was thinking when he took the pic from the angle he did. It really was horrible. He took a few of our bull and the one I posted was the best of the three. It's just disappointing, what do you do after the fact? That moment in time is gone.

 

[yousesteers]

The bull loks really good in your pictures. the angle is wrong in the pic from the show I would get a refund and either take one out in the open or up against a barn or soemthing I would not use the show picture for any type of advertising or promotion it just does not make the bull look that good

 

[ROAD WARRIOR]

I am shocked that they would let this picture out the door. They have been my favorite photographers of all the shows we have been to for 30+ years and I ahve never gotten a "bad" picture from them. I would certainly bring this to their attention and I would be surprised if they didn't refund your money or at least replace the photo with a usable one. RW

 

[box6rranch]

Thanks everyone for your comments and suggestions. I've sent an e-mail to Browarny with my photo and concerns. I've asked them to photo shop the picture and send me back a quality photo that I can use and that I had paid for. I'll let you know if and when I hear back from them 

 

[knabe]

i'll take a different approach.

was a different mat available?  if not, why didn't you have one?  why was the picture taken so late in the show when it's obvious the location had seen a lot of use?

why didn't you ask for a different spot or prepare one yourself

a picture doesn't need to be centered, as you can manipulate photo later.

he's a little forward of where his feet should be standing which is why the subject isn't centered.  you didn't observe this yourself?

i think the photog's picture is FAR better than yours and much more amenable to photoshop.

your picture has a broken background.

everyone has bad days. 

discuss before badmouthing.

i'm going to take the opposite viewpoint here. 

 

[Torch]

Pictures (profiles) as a tool for advertising are as dead as newspapers. Get a video, post it to your website and use the picture only as a doormat for linking to the video.

Everyone has a profile picture. Few have a video. If I am buying semen or the bull itself, you can get me interested by me actually seeing the bull, word of mouth from someone else seeing the bull or a video showing the bull in profile, front and behind, letting me see him walk. I would sure get excited if the video included footage as the bull has aged too.

In advertising, one must differentiate themselves from the crowd to be seen.

 

[box6rranch]

i'll take a different approach.

was a different mat available?  if not, why didn't you have one?  why was the picture taken so late in the show when it's obvious the location had seen a lot of use?

why didn't you ask for a different spot or prepare one yourself

a picture doesn't need to be centered, as you can manipulate photo later.

he's a little forward of where his feet should be standing which is why the subject isn't centered.  you didn't observe this yourself?

i think the photog's picture is FAR better than yours and much more amenable to photoshop.

your picture has a broken background.

everyone has bad days. 

discuss before badmouthing.

i'm going to take the opposite viewpoint here. 


I originally posted this for others opinions and experiences with this photography company. I feel that there have been many folks who have taken the time to respond and offer their suggestions, thank you. I never professed to being a professional photographer. However when we attend a prestigious show such as the National Western Stock Show it would be my assumption that they would have hired professionally trained photographers in the area of livestock photography. I'm not sure why you would feel that it would be the participants responsibility to make sure the photo area was clean and up to par. The photographer is getting paid for their work wouldn't you assume that be part of their responsibilities or that of the NWSS?
The photographer should have instructed the handler to set up the animal for a prime photo. The angle the picture was taken from was totally wrong and warped and didn't  portray the best profile of the animal. The pictures we took from home were focused on the animal and not the back drop. In anticipation of taking a photo that we planned on distributing of course we would have picked a better background.
This is a topic forum, of course positive and negative comments on numerous subject are going to be discussed.

 

[bcosu]

i have seen the photographer slide around to try and become square with the calf but in this case they should have notified the showman to try and pull the front end closer to the backdrop for sure. i have been a little disappointed with the size of the background in general with the pics i have seen of this years show.  in almost every photo you can see the bleachers and stuff behind it and that is like a no brainer to me to try and fit the back drop to the picture frame.